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  •  Does Daley give his guestimate on Manning? (2+ / 0-)
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    No.  That would be wrong.

    There's a process by which people's rights are protected that don't include politicians noodling over who should be jailed next.  That's a blogger's "job".

    If you want a link, I'll look for a link. If you really want it. Just ask.

    by Inland on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 08:32:26 AM PST

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    •  Bradley Manning's rights are being (9+ / 0-)

      protected?  Is that what you're saying because if that is then just WOW.

      •  Would a guesstimate by Daley on guilt help? (0+ / 0-)

        I mean, I know your point is to somehow drag Manning into this diary and say that the system blows and therefore any old shit is as good as gold

        BUT

        I have a very simple question about Daley and the calls in this diary.  

        Do you want Daley to give his guestimate on guilt, either in Manning's case or any other?

        Yes?  No?

        If you want a link, I'll look for a link. If you really want it. Just ask.

        by Inland on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 08:56:24 AM PST

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        •  You know, even if he was lying (9+ / 0-)

          he could say that we all know that some things that were going on were not on the up and up and that the SEC and other financial watchdogs in the government are doing their best to track down and stop those types of people from doing harm to our market.  That would be too crazy for some people though I guess...

          Too crazy because Daley's job is to bring the love from Wall Street to the White House - to fill the 2012 war chest.  He couldn't possibly acknowledge wrong-doing or suggest that this Administration is intent on helping to stop said wrong-doing.  Hell, what if one of their biggest supporters was guilty of some of the crimes?  That would be bad.  If they went after him, there'd be no big checks in the mail...

          People don't have the right to operate under a separate set of laws or outside of the law in this country.  The Obama Administration is not protecting anyone's rights in this situation.  They are giving special deference to a small elite group and in reality diminishing the rights of everyone else by ignoring the wrong-doing.

          But they've got young Bradley Manning naked and catatonic in some cell!  They call him an enemy of the state, but the bankers who've systematically stolen our national wealth - they're best friends for life.

          •  The ICFC (inquiry into the causes of the financial (6+ / 0-)

            crisis) -- a government commission -- recently came out with a report that stated bluntly that the financial crisis was caused by massive frauds committed by a particular list of people.

            Given that, anyone like Daley who claims that the President shouldn't start singling out people to prosecute is just spreading information.  The list of people to prosecute was already found by an impartial commission, folks.

            Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

            by neroden on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 09:56:11 AM PST

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          •  OMFG. (0+ / 0-)
            he could say that we all know that some things that were going on were not on the up and up and that the SEC and other financial watchdogs in the government are doing their best to track down and stop those types of people from doing harm to our market.

            Of course, that IS what's happening.  It's pointed out in the comments.  And sneered at.

            That sort of vague pablum is precisely the sort of shit that would get creamed on daily kos if it were said by anyone other than someone trying to score cheap points on Daley.

            They call him an enemy of the state, but the bankers who've systematically stolen our national wealth -

            Yes, well, let us know which statute is violated by whatever you're complaining about and we'll send it to the AG.   But unless you can think someone can be iindicted for being "banksters", you're wasting your time and mine.

            If you want a link, I'll look for a link. If you really want it. Just ask.

            by Inland on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 10:36:32 AM PST

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      •  I've represented plenty of defendants (3+ / 0-)
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        in  federal custody treated similarly to Bradley Manning.  I don't understand why nobody gives a damn about any of the thousands like him.

        •  I do. (2+ / 0-)
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          Child of a criminal defense attorney.  I don't even really believe in jail except in very extreme cases where it is apparent that people are actually dangerous.  

        •  Oh Bullshit (7+ / 0-)

          Please list a single name out of all of the thousands of people who are being held in Federal pre-trial detention under the same conditions as Bradly Manning.

          Here are the conditions Manning is currently being held under:

           

          Amnesty International wrote in January 2011 to the U.S. Secretary of Defense about his detention, writing that he was being held in a 72-square-foot cell, with no window, furnished only by a bed, toilet and sink, with meals taken in his cell, no contact with other pre-trial detainees, and with one hour outside the cell every 24 hours for exercise. There was access to a television when it was placed for limited periods in the corridor just outside his cell, and he was allowed to keep one book and one magazine in his cell—according to Leigh and Harding he had requested Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason—but otherwise no writing materials, though access to them was given during allotted times. He was being shackled during attorney and family or social visits.
          In addition to the maximum-custody conditions, Amnesty wrote that he was being held under a "Prevention of Injury" (PIA) assignment, which entailed checks by guards every five minutes, and no sleeping during the day; his lawyer David Coombs—a former serviceman and military attorney—said he was not allowed to sleep after 5 am, and if tried to, he was made to stand or sit up. Amnesty wrote that the PIA assignment also involved him remaining visible at all times, including at night. This meant he had no access to sheets or a separate pillow; he was required to sleep in boxer shorts, and had experienced chafing of the skin from heavy blankets.  David House, the computer scientist who is allowed to visit him twice a month, told reporters in December 2010 that Manning's mental and physical health were deteriorating.  Manning's lawyer told The New York Times in March 2011 that Manning had been required to strip naked, had been left in his cell without clothes for seven hours, and had been required to stand naked outside his cell for inspection. A Marine spokesman said a brig duty supervisor had ordered that the clothing be removed, and said it was in accordance with brig rules.

          Now, just supply the name of a single person in Federal pre-trial detention, who is forced to be naked 7 hours a night, stand at attention naked every morning, must respond to his guards every 5 minutes, is held in solitary confinment, and is prohibited from sleeping and exerecising in his or her cell.  Oh yes, and who has been declared NOT to be a danger to himself or others by mental health professionals employed at the federal detention facility.  

          I have $100 that says you can't name a single person.        

    •  Concerned about Manning's rights? (10+ / 0-)

      If true, why is Obama allowing them to torture him before he's even been charged with a crime?

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