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    •  Then brain dead voters put them (24+ / 0-)

      back in office and give them a chance to do it again.  They almost crashed the global economy and tried their best to send us into a depression and voters rewarded them for it.  What is wrong with our country?

      "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou

      by ahumbleopinion on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 07:38:59 PM PST

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      •  You have to think they were making the best choice (5+ / 0-)

        You have to work with the idea that they were making the best choice available to them at the time. Either they're wrong, and we need to get better at telling them why voting for the Republican is a bad idea, or they're right, and we need to provide better candidates. In either case, you can't blame the voters.

        The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

        by tmo on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 08:14:26 PM PST

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        •  When is the right time for the voters to (10+ / 0-)

          own up to their own fuck-ups ?

          There was absolutely zero reason for the voters to vote back the rethugs in such large numbers in 2010 thereby screwing themselves and the other in the process.

          One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.

          by amk for obama on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 09:14:24 PM PST

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          •  Too many Democrats seem to have (14+ / 0-)

            and American Idol approach to election; one wrong note and they won't vote for the Democratic candidate no matter how bad the GOP is.  Republicans, on the other hand, would crawl through fire to vote for a known criminal as long as he has an R beside his name.

            "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou

            by ahumbleopinion on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 09:28:38 PM PST

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          •  It's ALWAYS time, but it's not a persuasive tactic (5+ / 0-)

            Well, it depends on what you want. :) If you want some sense of justice in the world, then it's just about always time for voters to own up to their own fuck-ups. If you want them to do what you want, you will NEVER tell them it's time to own up to their own fuck-ups. You really have to decide if your anger or your desire to persuade them is stronger.

            If you think there was zero reason for voters to vote back in the Republicans, then I would have to say that you have a failure of imagination. I can think of two reasons right off the top: the Dems spent way too long on healthcare with not very much to show for it, and the job situation still stinks. Now you know and I know that in some sense both of those are not entirely true, but it was the Democrats' obligation to show that. To the extent that those are true, it was the Democrats' obligation to prevent them from being true, or to own up to them later, and they didn't. I honestly don't remember hearing any Democrats or Obama owning up to the fact that they failed to address the economy substantially.

            The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

            by tmo on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 10:32:37 PM PST

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            •  Oh what a smart set of voters you have (1+ / 0-)
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              defended. The dems didn't solve the jobs problem in tow years so let's vote back the thugs who created that jobs problem in the first place. Yeah, that's the ticket to solve all your problems.

              One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.

              by amk for obama on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 10:43:00 PM PST

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              •  How are either of these not true? A fair reading (1+ / 0-)
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                Shows

                I can think of two reasons right off the top: the Dems spent way too long on healthcare with not very much to show for it, and the job situation still stinks.

                Both are demonstrably so.

              •  I'm not saying it's rational (2+ / 0-)
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                I'm not saying that that's a rational line of thinking, I'm telling you what I think they're thinking. Big difference. :) You have to meet people where they are, not where you want them to be. If you have a more persuasive set of tactics you've used, I'd be interested in hearing them.

                The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

                by tmo on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 12:57:47 PM PST

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      •  The US Senate is what's wrong. (13+ / 0-)

        A large part of it anyway.  Other parts include the two-party system and the fact that most voters don't understand the extraordinary complexity of our system of government, with its HUGE number of elected officials.  

        (In the UK, I believe you generally vote for district council, county council, parliament, and that's IT.  Compare with huge lists of offices in the US.)

        Voters thought they'd elected a massive supermajority of Democrats.

        When they proceeded to get, well, very little really, they reacted by voting for "the other guys".  Now, we can rationally say that they should have picked and chosen individual legislators to support and opposed -- and to some extent they did, the worst of the Democrats losing -- and that they should have voted in primaries or for third parties rather than for Republicans -- but you know the system's set up to make that difficult and less than fully productive.

        Why did we get very little?  Well, partly it was Obama's campaign lies when it came to things fully within the purview of the executive branch (ask the ACLU how he's doing on civil liberties), but largely it was the god-damned Senate, where even with a commanding majority, it somehow contrived not to pass legislation.

        The average American does not understand why legislation is failing with 58 votes out of 100.  Frankly, I don't understand it either, and I blame at least 9 Democratic Senators.  Since I don't know WHICH nine they are, I'm going to have to vote against all of them.

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 09:36:41 PM PST

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      •  What's wrong is (1+ / 0-)
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        that our constituency doesn't vote in midterms.  Damn them.

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