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  •  If they did that (7+ / 0-)

    it's because they wanted this to remain truly grassroots and not make it look like the Party apparatus is controlling it like a puppetmaster.

    Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo! So little time, so much to know!

    by KingofSpades on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 08:35:20 PM PST

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    •  Understood... (8+ / 0-)

      But, they should be pumping resources like crazy into the state parties.. Dean would have.

      Speaking of Dean... where has Howard been in all of this?

      GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

      by LordMike on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 08:40:27 PM PST

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    •  Understood. My issue with that is that if WI had (5+ / 0-)

      faded away, those sensitivities would be very misplaced.  Even now, the national party should be doing what it can to amplify the WI message and energy to make sure it resonates nationally.  Simply as a political and/or power enhancing move.  That will take more resources (staying power) and coordination than the local organizers are likely to have.  The WI message is after all a core/fundamental Democratic message.

      There must be a way that the national Party can be involved and support, yet not orchestrate.  This IS already an organic movement, unlike the Tea Party.  The DNC is already over the first hurdle of spontaneity.  The message is resonating on its own.  It needs a megaphone...

      I guess my underlying assumption in saying this is that the Class War is so serious and our historical efforts to fight it so tenuous (timid?), that leaving resources on the table when a golden opportunity to push back presents itself is pretty odd.  To appear to be willing to sacrifice a core principle in pursuit of a tactical message (per the NYT quote) is odd-er.

      This is a gaping hole in the R political lines.  It has to be exploited nationally.  Heck, Lincoln fired about seven generals for not exploiting these types of opportunities (one, twice).  ;)

      FWIW.

      "Dega dega dega dega. Break up the concrete..." The Pretenders

      by Terra Mystica on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 06:03:59 AM PST

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      •  Umm, no, they shouldn't (3+ / 0-)
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        Vicky, Terra Mystica, history first

        Obama's positives, though improving, are not as high as Walker's negatives. I don't mind popular Dem leaders from neighboring states chiming in, but I would rather the perception here remain that of this being our fight with only other grass roots folks supporting us. DC folks need to stay away and lend only even-handed advice.

        Many out-of-staters don't understand the degree to which too much nationalizing of this would have blowback and give Walker the chance to play victim.

        My desperate plea to Obama and all of the DC centered Democratic leaders:
        If you want to help, please stay away (unless the momentum swings to Walker or things turn violent).

        Regular folks who want to come and march (or join in solidarity back home): the more the merrier, power to the people.

        •  Do well. Seriously. The country needs this... (0+ / 0-)

          ...Desperately.

          "Dega dega dega dega. Break up the concrete..." The Pretenders

          by Terra Mystica on Tue Mar 08, 2011 at 12:37:00 PM PST

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        •  Agree - Obama and the DC Democrats Should Stay (1+ / 0-)
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          out of this - so it really IS grassroots powered. However, I DO HOPE that the DC Democrats (and Obama) are learning some lessons on growing a spine, and how to stand up to Republican bullying and not fold, from the Wisconsin Fab 14!!

          •  I want my old democratic party back (0+ / 0-)

            I totally agree with you 1000% about Obama.

            This is the very catalyst that he could use as he moves into reelection mode-let's say a year from now if big if, he's willing to reclaim the Democratic party as the party of working people, the middle class, seniors, etc...

            All of the "Reagan dems", who should by now realize they've been lied to all these decades, are ready. It's so clear in Wisconsin, Michigan, even Ohio and Florida. They just need to know the national democratic party won't sell them out to the highest campaign contributor.

            'We can make the trains run on time but if they are not going where we want them to go, why bother?' Neil Postman

            by history first on Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 06:08:05 PM PST

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