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  •  Ahem (1+ / 0-)
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    Temmoku

    the  missing context in your post is that most likely other professionals wages with similar educational backgrounds rose at similar or higher rates as well..ahem ahem...

    Ahem,...it's all relative to other peoples' wage growth.

    Then there's the context of how this one sole chart is cherrypicked the data point start from 1959....hmmm, why not compare/also show the difference from a different starting point, like say fromthe great stagnation, or since 1979 or 1999? Yeah and compare it to Wall street or hedge fund managers wages?

    And how about the context that teachers in 1959 could teach without a master's degree, which is now a requirement in many states....bet that context was missing in that teaparty chart.

    Yeah speaking of ahem...and context, you might want to talk bigger picture. How about mentioning the wealth gap? Bet there were no slides about that factor that has grown to the worst levels since the depression.

    Or how about talking about how the top 400 billionaires in this country and the fact that they own more wealth than the bottom 50% percent of the population now.

    400 people (including teaparty backer Koch Bros) have more combined wealth than 155 million people.

    Yeah ahem ...ahem...you're willing to spout a minute cherrypicked statistic that is really meaningless in the bigger economic reality/narrative on the state of the financial well being of the middle and working class people in this country. It would make it much more meaningful providing that narrative is important. Leaving it out is intentionally misleading and wrong.

    And lastly, I was in a bar last night where the average income was 1 million dollars....1 person made 10 million dollars and the other 9 had run out of unemployment and had no income. Yeah lies, damned lies, and statistics...context...ahem.

    "When will the American teachers follow the lead of Wall Street and start making some sacrifices for the children"..Jon Stewart

    by emal on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:55:51 AM PST

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    •  Ahem (0+ / 0-)

      That's not what this exchange is about.  The point is not whether teachers get the pay they deserve in comparison to others. It's whether teacher pay has in fact gone up by more than 50% since 1959 in inflation-adjusted dollars.  According to the AFT it has.  It's a simple point.

      •  Bull (2+ / 0-)
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        Temmoku, bekosiluvu

        bull...without context "that point"  is  meaningless. A meaningless statistic standing on it's own.v That is why baggers use that approach...cherrypicking data, that's what started the Iraq War...cherrypicking statistics is dangerous. And that is why I believe baggers and wingnuts do it.

        It means a very different thing if they've risen 50%  during that time frame if say other professionals/wages went up 200% or compared to if other professionals/wages went up only 10% during that same time period.  And yes it's important if the educational entry level also changed during that time frame. (master degree..it compared to other master's degree profressions).Context is important and very necessary to give correct meaning.

        That's "the point" I'm making and the one you are definitely (deliberately?) missing. Context is part of analysis and critical thinking and is very important and necessary for correct interpretation and reasoning.

        Context...you might want to provide it and use it when you are sighting statistics...imo you're acting irresponsible trying to argue one data point in isolation as these things do not occur in a vaccuum ..that one statistic is meaningless without much broader context. You know it and if you don't than you most certainly should.

        oh and ahem...ahem.

        "When will the American teachers follow the lead of Wall Street and start making some sacrifices for the children"..Jon Stewart

        by emal on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:00:28 PM PST

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