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  •  It's legal (10+ / 0-)

    and should be legal - 1st amendment and all that.  Our side uses subterfuge to sting people like Gov Walker, and we applaud, for good reason.  

    The difference is that the Walker tapes were released in their entirety and O'Keefe manipulated his tapes.  He's got the right to do that - the fault lies with the media for not doing its job (ironically, Glenn Beck's website did this for them), and the fault lies with NPR for cowering like an abused dog whenever anyone on the right attacks them.  

    •  Media Have No Such Job nt (0+ / 0-)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Mar 14, 2011 at 08:20:59 AM PDT

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    •  I don't know that 'it' should be legal, depending (1+ / 0-)
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      upon how you define 'it'.

      If by 'it' you simply mean sting operations, sure, go for it.  But if by 'it' you mean the deliberate creation of character-assassinating lies through the manipulation of recorded footage and the rebroadcast of such lies over the airwaves, I think 'it' should be illegal, but of course the right-wing packed supreme court said it was legal to broadcast explicit lies knowing that they were lies, didn't they?

    •  When Glenn freaking BECK (3+ / 0-)
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      does a more serious job as a journalist than CNN...we are in deep shit indeed.  

    •  Since When Is It Legal To Intentionally Edit Tapes (2+ / 0-)
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      and put out something that is intended to make someone look bad (I am thinking of Shirley Sherrod). This is plainly illegal. It's like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when O'Keefe knows damn well there is no fire.
      Any litigation lawyers on this site? Can Shirley Sherrod and Schiller sue these punks (O'Keefe and Brietbart) for libel and defamation of character?

      •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)
        It's like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater when O'Keefe knows damn well there is no fire.

        The reason that falsely yelling "fire" in a crowded theater isn't protected speech isn't simply that the yeller is lying; lies are perfectly legal and protected speech, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Falsely yelling "fire" is illegal because it will create a panic in which people are likely to get injured.

        O'Keefe's speech, odious as it is (and perhaps libelous as it is, not sure what the law is on that but he could be subject to a civil suit), is nevertheless perfectly legal.

      •  Depends (0+ / 0-)

        If the tapes were edited by cutting the response to one question or a fragment of conversation, and splicing it to appear that it is the response to another question, well that would be fraudulent and done with the intent to harm.  That could be libel.  

        But if one selectively edits to highlight only certain things and not others, that's probably not illegal.  

      •  Happens All The Time... (0+ / 0-)

        Very few interviews are conducted and played "in their entirety".  And the Network does not give the person who is being interviewed the right to do the editing, the Network does the editing.

    •  i think it's bullshit to call this "free speech" (2+ / 0-)
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      bay of arizona, boofdah

      "Free Speech" should not mean a "right" to lie your ass off, especially when it effects electoral outcome.  

      Thwarting and sabotaging democracy is freakin' treason.

      While such determinations should be subject to stringent regulation, in terms of sorting out genuine "opinion" and deliberate lies, a line can, and should, be drawn.

      However, it would be premature to even begin to try to deal with such issues, as long as the Chamber of Commerce controls everything.

      Only a progressive/moderate Democratic super-majority in the House and Senate could be trusted to even broach the subject, without automatically stacking the deck in favor of the right.

      Then, and only then, we can hope to see some meaningful media, campaign finance, and electoral reforms that would allow a more viable democracy.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Mon Mar 14, 2011 at 08:59:02 AM PDT

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