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  •  First, we stop the bleeding. (6+ / 0-)

    Supreme Court on Apr. 5.  (Anybody polling that one?)

    Then the senatorial recall elections.

    Then the governor recall.

    Then comes Nov. 2012, and we can actually undo things.

    All at the ballot box, as it should be.

    A general strike right now would play right into Walker's hands.   If we really wanna be toast, and lose the swing votes that the movement has gained, that would be the way to go about it.

    If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

    by AnnieJo on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 08:38:26 AM PDT

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    •  Your strategy has held sway since 1937. (1+ / 0-)
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      And it's been downhill all the way for workers' rights since then.

      Before then, labor, especially the CIO, realized they had to depend on themselves.  They used militant tactics.  They won strikes--albeit not without cost--and they grew dramatically.  They had no use for the Democratic Party, even of FDR.  Most of them were Socialists, Communists and Anarchists.

      Then came the Wagner Act and a strong reaction from the Right.  Union leaders drifted into the Democratic Party.  The militant tactics were all outlawed under the Wagner Act.  Then came Taft-Hartley that hamstrung even the cautious business unions.  Democrats promised to repeal it, but never did.

      Then came Clinton's NAFTA, and the jobs flew away.

      All the while, you folks were counseling, "Don't rock the boat.  Let's play to the swing voters.  Don't be militant or radical."

      And we have arrived where we are today.

      If your strategy had prevailed among the labor activists in the first half of the 20th century, we'd still have 12-hour work days and child labor.

      •  George Will, is that you? (1+ / 0-)
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        You scamp.  But you can't disguise your cherry-pickin'-at-history-faux-trump-card-playin' ways.  Oh, they boys down at the club will be laughing over this one for days.

        Stop. Stand up. Make a sign. Walk around in public. Be polite and orderly and the rest takes care of itself. Want to shake up the Plutocrats? Demonstrate your attention to politics.

        by Quicklund on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 09:45:12 AM PDT

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        •  You're rather desperate, aren't you? (1+ / 0-)
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          Lying that there is no one talking about a general strike in Wisconsin.

          Has the SCFL withdrawn their endorsement?  Don't think so.

          You're trying everything from Red-baiting to accusing me of being disguised troll (that's pretty funny) to try and shut me up.

          Why so desperate?

          •  I am not desparate. (0+ / 0-)

            You are just annoying and clogging up people trying to have a productive discussion.  It's called attention-whoring.

            And since I know the cure for that I will just ST...

            Stop. Stand up. Make a sign. Walk around in public. Be polite and orderly and the rest takes care of itself. Want to shake up the Plutocrats? Demonstrate your attention to politics.

            by Quicklund on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 10:32:34 AM PDT

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    •  Sup Ct (5+ / 0-)
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      Supreme Court on Apr. 5.  (Anybody polling that one?)

      We've certainly thought about it, but our concern is that name rec for the individual candidates is undoubtedly sooo low that we won't get meaningful results. (Turnout was only 9% in the first round.)

      •  I think name recognition... (5+ / 0-)

        is going to swell quickly, and that the process has already begun.

        But of course, I don't have the numbers.  ;-)

        Thanks for all you do.

        If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

        by AnnieJo on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 09:09:40 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you! :) (3+ / 0-)
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          I don't think there have been TV ads yet, but maybe it'll be worth polling in the final weekend.

          One other difficulty is that it's a non-partisan race, which means no party labels in the voting booth - and which means you can't try to get a generic sense of things by asking "the Democrat JoAnn Kloppenburg or the Republican David Prosser" in a poll. I mean, you could, but I'm not sure that would be meaningful.

          •  I wonder when the ads begin. (3+ / 0-)
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            I'm sure the corporate money will gush for Prosser, starting any day now.  

            I do know that I've got home-printed Kloppenburg signs in the window of my home and car, on my bike and on the notepad portfolio I carry around everywhere.  I've never had anything near the motivation to do anything like that before, for any candidate ever.  And that I heard chanting on the Capitol Square:

            What's the word?
            KLOP-PEN-BURG!

            This kind of energy around a Supreme Court election in Wisconsin is big, and it's not business-as-usual.

            If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

            by AnnieJo on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 09:56:43 AM PDT

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          •  Actually - (1+ / 0-)
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            A poll the weekend before the final weekend would be more useful. Especially with good crosstab information to help targeting. A poll the final weekend, as I am sure you know, gives too little time to be useful to anybody. It would be fun to see poll results the day before the election and compare to the real thing, but really not useful.

            •  This is a fair point (1+ / 0-)
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              But we are already REALLY close to the election, which is April 5, just three weeks away. So 10 days out might still not be "late" enough to poll, if the candidates go on the air very late. I guess we'll see!

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