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  •  Excellent Diary, many thanks... (11+ / 0-)

    I live in Randolph County and the Intermountain is our Odgen owned "local paper".

    As I've said many times, I joined the online comments board several months ago and am now the 'liberal' presence.  I do have one ally who apparently almost gave up going it alone. There are two regulars who are Fox schooled and often become abusive, and two newcomer Baggers last weekend who gave up after a 'debate' re "liberal media bias".

    There isn't as much participation online as I had expected, but I do believe the comments are read by many.

    I'm a transplant (1988) from Connecticut, and despite the major cultural change, I like living here and have put down roots.  

    I agree with all of your points, greywolfe, and also believe that the people of WV really do believe that they have been ignored and treated like stereotypes rather than as the hard working, self educated people that I know and like.

    May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 06:09:37 AM PDT

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    •  When I think of how strong labor was (7+ / 0-)

      during my teenage years in West "by God" Virginia in the 1960s and 1970s, I shake my head.  Hard to believe what has happened over the last 30 years.

      The Republican motto: "There's been a lot of progress in this country over the last 75 years, and we've been against all of it."

      by Hillbilly Dem on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 06:39:45 AM PDT

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      •  Just a guess but I'd say Blankenship and (5+ / 0-)

        Massey made it very undesirable to join a union.

        He's retired and Massey has been acquired by another company, but I doubt much will change.

        The idea has been firmly planted that it is the EPA and big government which is creating problems for coal when in fact, the coal isn't going anywhere and it is the corporations which should not be getting subsidies and tax breaks as incentives to continue dangerous and environmentally destructive practices.

        Manchin has been touring and if he doesn't soon switch over to the republican party, he won't have any Dems left who will support him.

        May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 07:10:36 AM PDT

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    •  I was commenting at intelligencer for awhile (3+ / 0-)
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      It just got so hard to keep up.  There's three or four right-wing nut regulars and you can't have a conversation with them at all.  A few "allies" here and there, but it feels like shouting at a wall.

      I should go back and try again, I really should.  If only a few people here a reasonable argument, it might make a difference.

      "What is essential is invisible to the eye." www.thefoxfoot.com

      by greywolfe359 on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 09:21:12 AM PDT

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      •  I didn't join the comments board with the (3+ / 0-)
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        idea that I'd have actual conversations but to counter the craziness with facts, which as we all know are inconvenient suggestions to most of this crowd.

        It's easy to find a relevant quote or excerpt from a source other-than-the-liberal-media and provide the source. Just cut-and-paste and edit because of the 1,000 character limit...not always that easy.

        I did have a pretty productive conversation with a moderate crazy about the repeal of DADT and on the issue of the outspoken Arizona sheriff.

        I do think it matters, really.  People do read the comments even if they don't post.

        Again, terrific Diary, thanks.

        May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 09:34:28 AM PDT

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        •  HA! (1+ / 0-)
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          That's what I thought.  However, The Intelligencer's board blocks any web addresses.  It will just show the first part and then block the rest.  I suppose they say it's to block porn or viruses or whatever.  But seriously, an internet forum in the 21st century that doesn't allow links?  You have to type it in code like "Go to www dot and then a dailykos plus dot and com" or something like that to pass the filter.

          Talk about controlling the narrative!

          "What is essential is invisible to the eye." www.thefoxfoot.com

          by greywolfe359 on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 09:47:30 AM PDT

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          •  Yep, same here about posting links so (2+ / 0-)
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            I get around that like this: WashPost-1/1/11- "...excerpt text..."

            You can do the code thing but unless you've got some obsessive types, they won't bother to go to the site.

            Yes, there is a lot of control going on with this newspaper chain, probably not unlike most of the others, but it is still a public forum and some of the Baggers go way over the line and aren't censored.

            Me, I just stick to the facts and hope that some sink in to anyone reading the comments.  

            May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 09:57:39 AM PDT

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      •  some of those commenters are probably paid. (1+ / 0-)
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        Some comment boards just seem flooded with insanity.

        I saw this:
        http://www.democracynow.org/...

      •  I have finally found an argument that seems to (1+ / 0-)
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        resonate in rural Oklahoma.  When you tell them that the rich are getting richer and point out what percent of the wealth of the nation they own they do listen and agree that it is not right.  They don't like liberals, or Massachusetts, or San Francisco, and particulary "tree-hugging" lilberals from these areas, but they don't like the super rich or large corporations much either.  The reason they don't like liberals is because they think liberals look down on them.  In a way they do.  And because they think that liberals care more about snail-darters than about people.  They also wax long and loud about "liberals destroying logging on the West Coast because of the spotted-owl".  Liberals claim they are not reality based, and they claim liberals are not reality based.  They are, however, beneath it all, basically economic liberals.

        •  Thanks to the GOP governors, I think (1+ / 0-)
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          your point is going to be even easier to prove.

          Maybe the Walker name isn't well known right now or the protests in Wisconsin but it is out there and easy to talk about.  The governor extended tax breaks to corporations then went after the public union members to offset the loss in revenue.  

          Same is true with the rest of the govs who are competing for corporate business.  Big incentives for corporations to come to the state or stay which creates a mega revenue loss which they call a 'crisis'.  Then cut spending for public employees, schools, etc.

          And, somewhere in there, regular people start to see an increase in their taxes.

           

          May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

          by msmacgyver on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 01:15:44 PM PDT

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          •  Actually, they do know about the protests in (1+ / 0-)
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            Wisconsin.  This is the sort of news that could hurt the Republicans here.   Boy, our Senators and Governor are really some pieces of work!!!!  But our state legislators are way to the right of Genghis Khan.

            •  Snyder in Michigan is another grandstanding (1+ / 0-)
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              GOPer with a taste of power...

              http://blogs.forbes.com/...

              Michigan Governor Plays Fast and Loose with Democracy, Invokes Radical New Powers

              Perhaps lost in the Wisconsin shuffle is the story of what exactly is happening in Michigan. Newly elected Republican governor, Rick Snyder, is set to pass one of the most sweeping, anti-democratic pieces of legislation in the country – and almost no one is talking about it.

              Snyder’s law gives the state government the power not only to break up unions, but to dissolve entire local governments and place appointed “Emergency Managers” in their stead. But that’s not all – whole cities could be eliminated if Emergency Managers and the governor choose to do so. And Snyder can fire elected officials unilaterally, without any input from voters. It doesn’t get much more anti-Democratic than that.

              Except it does. The governor simply has to declare a financial emergency to invoke these powers – or he can hire a private company to declare financial emergency and take over oversight of the city. That’s right, a private corporation can declare your city in a state of financial emergency and send in its Emergency Manager, fire your elected officials, and reap the benefits of the ensuing state contracts.

              May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

              by msmacgyver on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 02:11:11 PM PDT

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