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  •  Can I provide a little window into this kind (9+ / 0-)

    of thinking, without remotely excusing it?

    The following occurred to me, growing up in East Texas with a fundamentalist grandmother, plenty of right-wing Christian aunts and uncles, and bombarded by televangelism on all sides; and crystalized when reading a background on early Christianity in the book Constantine and the Bishops.

    Modern Christians, like the pagans that persecuted their forebearers, see the relationship between a deity and humans as collective, not individual. Individuals have duties to deities/the deity, but as part of a collective obligation of the community. Communities are rewarded for sacrifices collectively, and punished for tolerating transgressions in their midst collectively.

    And we're not talking the big offenses here. We're talking offenses against arcane taboos and ritual purity. Failing to make the proper sacrifices. Failing to worship the Emperor's Genius. Not saying "under GOD" in the pledge. And letting people do icky thing in God's sight.

    So when you say:

    With all the poverty, all the homelessness, all the disease and heartbreak currently going on, stopping the gays from getting married makes your Top Ten list of "Christian priorities" that you just had to get your choir to sign their names to?

    Yes, to them it is that important, because in their backwards-ass theology, these superstitious twits really do believe that a wrathful God with a very curious set of priorities will smite the entire country for doing things they and He find icky.

    Don't know if I have a solution for this (other than advancing their theology out of savagery to something at least half-way enlightened), but that's why we keep hearing this sort of odd obsession out of these people.

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 07:44:34 PM PDT

    •  Should read "Modern Right-wing Christians" (5+ / 0-)
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      Most mainline denominations have the more advanced theologies these unaffiliated fundies lack; and I didn't mean to lump the two groups together. My apologies to sensible advanced Christians.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 07:47:04 PM PDT

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    •  I can't say I have any interest in understanding (5+ / 0-)
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      their values, priorities and thought process, any more than they are mine.

      Totally unlike them, I'm comfortable letting them make their own lifestyle choices without interfering, or expecting the government to force my values on them.

      I wish they'd extend me the same courtesy.

      When I was young, I thought money was the most important thing in life. Now that I'm old - I know it is.--Oscar Wilde

      by Scott Wooledge on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 08:30:59 PM PDT

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    •  I've asked a number of paleocons (3+ / 0-)
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      to explain to me how their Christianity differs from pre-Christian paganism.

      The general answer boils down to that to them Christianity is the perfection of paganism.  The pagans weren't that wrong, they just didn't know/understand that Jesus of Nazareth was the one absolutely right and highest, truest, revelation.

      This comes up when I point out that Science/Modernity (their grand bête noir) doesn't so much attack Christianity as defeat and eliminate the many pre-Christian (pagan) doctrines that were incorporated into organized Christianity.

      Theoretically they should be neutral or even in favor of this development.  But they invariably fear and loathe it.  With endless whining about "tradition" going lost.    

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