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  •  I find this diary quite thought-provoking and (1+ / 0-)
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    Agathena

    ...challenging to some of my unconscious biases.  I intend to keep this around to read again and again.

    However, I have to ask as question:  what purpose did the italicized intro serve in getting the message of the diary across?

    But if you want to convince me that most white feminists aren't also racists (conscious or unconscious), forget it because it won't work.  You'll be doing the racists' work for them, by distracting from a discussion about racism, and diverting to a lament about poor, misunderstood white feminists.

    Here in the DKos community I believe we want to foster open discussion, even discussion which we find uncomfortable.  If someone wants, in the comment thread, to take the distaff position ("most white feminists are not racists"), then why cut that off in this way?  Why not deal with it in the comment threads, by the appropriate use of HRs?

    IMO, doing so in this way--equating dissent on this subject with "doing the racists' work for them" and saying that any dissent must be based on "diverting to a lament about poor, misunderstood white feminists"--does not do well in getting the message to the wider community.

    Others' thoughts?

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Sun May 22, 2011 at 03:04:35 PM PDT

    •  She's fending off derailing (6+ / 0-)

      If she hadn't posted something along those lines, it's quite likely that roughly every other comment in the diary would have been something like "great diary!  but I really have to say that none of the feminists I've worked with are racist".

      •  OK. (0+ / 0-)
        If she hadn't posted something along those lines, it's quite likely that roughly every other comment in the diary would have been something like "great diary!  but I really have to say that none of the feminists I've worked with are racist".

        And how would that be a problem?  Wouldn't it be easy just to ignore those comments, or answer them with a rational argument?

        "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

        by rfall on Sun May 22, 2011 at 05:58:08 PM PDT

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    •  Heavens to Murgatroid! Why encourage HRs (1+ / 0-)
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      poco

      for that?!

      Is my question to you.

      Funny you should stick that into your comment.

      On the one hand, you're all about encouraging open discourse by not shutting out a dissenting opinion, and then, wham, otoh just HR 'em if they voice that encouraged dissenting opinion?

      (Color me... {{{dizzy}}})

      Should a "progressive" Dem blog dwell in the safe zones of a lame party, or should it drive a lame party to break out? If it cant, should it break out?

      by NYCee on Sun May 22, 2011 at 05:33:04 PM PDT

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      •  Good point. (0+ / 0-)
        On the one hand, you're all about encouraging open discourse by not shutting out a dissenting opinion, and then, wham, otoh just HR 'em if they voice that encouraged dissenting opinion?

        So, rather than HR them, how about just ignoring them, or answering them with civil responses?

        I guess I don't see what is gained by shutting down a line of argumentation before the diary even begins.

        Color me...confused.

        "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

        by rfall on Sun May 22, 2011 at 05:59:50 PM PDT

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