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  •  I haven't got a clue (none)
    The chain of custody of the CBS documents is unclear. I don't have any way to show that they were or were not authentic.
    •  The CBS docs... (4.00)
      ...were never proven to be forgeries. In fact, a professor at the University of Utah(?) did a study where he concluded that the docs were typed, not made on a word processor. He did NOT attempt to prove that the docs were authentic, merely that they were made on a typwriter in a font that was available at the time. But without the original docs to look at (he  only had the photcopies CBS had), he could not conclusively state they were forgeried or   not.
      The Freepers nearly got him fired before the story developed.

      I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

      by BuckMulligan on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 11:20:12 AM PST

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      •  I saw that (4.00)
        It was Professor Hailey at Utah State University. You can read an account of how the right used threats to force him to take down his web pages.
        •  Good link (none)
          That's a nice link regarding Hailey. Thanks. Hey wait a second, check out the "Th" in that word "Thanks." Clearly a forgery!

          On a serious note, based on this link, it looks like the Utah State guys stood behind Hailey. (Note to CBS: this is what accountability is really all about: being accountable to the truth and to those on your team willing to go there).

      •  I don't believe it showed that. (none)
        It is my understanding that he literally cut letters out that were typed on a typewriter, and pasted them individually.  Or do you have more info than I have?
        •  Don't have exact details (none)
          I don't have exact details, and don't have a copy of what he posted, so I'm not really able to say exactly what he did.

          You can apparently still get copies via US mail.

        •  Yes and no (none)
          He did cut and paste, but only to put letters from different documents side by side for comparison. That way he could tell if they were made by the same typewriter.
          He did find similarties of "wear" marks in some of the individual letters, but because the photocopies were several generations (copied over and over) old, he could never make a statement one way or the other.
          The Feepers nailed him on some word he cut and pasted to compare markings. From what I remember, it was an innocent attempt to prove a technical point, but the Freepers jumped all over it. The professor appoligized for not being clearer in his original wording, but by that time the Freepers had already attacked his credibility and had deluged the University's president with threatening emails.
          The funny thing was I didn't think too much of the report at the time - interesting lead and good analysis, but not really any solid evidence of anything. Then I watched the Freepers take him down.
          The LAST thing Freepers wanted was to be proven wrong after they felt they "won" by getting Rather  "retired."

          I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

          by BuckMulligan on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 05:46:08 PM PST

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      •  I thought (none)
        it was shown that the documents, because of the language used, were forgeries.  They could have been typed on a typewriter.  The information in them was true, and collaborated by other documents, but the memos themselves were fakes.

        We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the Bad Things. - Terry Pratchett

        by Rambuncle on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 04:56:36 PM PST

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        •  Nope (none)
          One of the big lies promulgated by the wingnuts is that these memos should have looked like "official" documents.  But they weren't "official" documents, and CBS never claimed they were.   They were allegedly from Killian's personal files.  

          Members of the US military are urged to keep their own files detailing their service, including "memos to file" like the Killian memos for "cover your ass" purposes.  And maintaining those files "off base" was standard procedure.  

          In other words, it is actually more likely that these memos would not conform to "official" documents.   Killian was not a typist; instead when official documents were needed he would provide handwritten notes to a typist who would create the appropriate forms.  The language "anomolies" found in the memos can thus all be explained by treating them as if they were what CBS described them to be---memos from Killian's "personal files" based on notes typed by someone who was unconnected with TXANG.

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