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  •  "The Sun is notoriously elusive" (9+ / 0-)

    Wow !

    That is worth thinking about, making into a T-Shirt, tattooing on your wrist for daily contemplation.

    Do you know where your Sun is ?

    •  nobody knows how the tides work!!! (8+ / 0-)

      and the sun?
      PFFFT. it could go on vacation tomorrow, y'know.

      this line:

      ...power generation that works even when the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow.

      is verbatim what my former (R) governor said about wind and solar that he actively worked to curtail in Vermont, of all green places.
      i wonder what the source of that talking point might have been?
      Have these assholes never heard of batteries? it is weird, but it is actually possible to store electricity in these little magical containers so you can use it, like, whenever you want!

      Sexual orientation is as irrelevent on the battlefield as military rank is in the bedroom.

      by kamarvt on Sat Mar 19, 2011 at 11:50:29 AM PDT

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      •  Right. But batteries have a limited capacity (2+ / 0-)
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        It's not that easy to store electricity.  It works ok for small amounts of electricity.  Like your phone might hold enough energy that you don't have to charge it more than once a week.  But the amount of electricity needed to drive 50 miles in a prius, takes a pretty heavy battery. And the materials required to build those batteries are limited.

        When talking about the amount of energy needed to keep 6 billion people comfortable in their homes and moving around the world and eating food that takes energy to produce.  Not much of that energy can be held in batteries in a practical way.  

        Stored electricity is good only on a very small scale.  Energy is hard to hold.

        •  and battery technology to the rescue (1+ / 0-)
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          Can't show you the linkies (I'm at work and should not even be on this website...) but there have been a number of advances in power storage, most recently at Stanford, IIRC, that promise to increase capacity tenfold while halving the weight.
          Regardless, the bullshit meme that solar power only works when the sun shines or wind power only works during a windstorm is deliberate disinformation. the fact that this disinformation is repeating verbatim around the RW is notable for its astroturfing stench.
          the cognitive dissonance of promising "clean coal" while insisting that no new technologies are possible with renewables is breathtakingly...normal for these liars.

          Sexual orientation is as irrelevent on the battlefield as military rank is in the bedroom.

          by kamarvt on Sat Mar 19, 2011 at 01:04:32 PM PDT

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          •  I'd like to see your linkies later (2+ / 0-)
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            If you have time.  And I won't tell your boss you sometimes screw around on Kos at work.  That is, if you promise not to tell mine that I do the same thing.  

            I don't keep up with the latest developments in battery technology.  So I'm curious what those stanford geniuses may have found out.  And wonder what those higher capacity sources are made of.  Hopefully something plentiful on earth?  

            Hope the rest of your day at work is enjoyable.

            Cheers -- until later

      •  The wind is normally blowing ... (4+ / 0-)
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        ... somewhere in the country, and the sun is up and its hottest during the largest part of our biggest peak loads, which are AC driven.

        We already have ample hydro capacity to firm wind power up to 20% of total electricity supply.

        Getting to 20% will give us eight to ten years to work out how we manage a grid with 50%, which is plenty of time to work it out if we are serious rather than playing games with brain dead political sloganeering in support of the transnational corporate predator state.

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        by BruceMcF on Sat Mar 19, 2011 at 01:44:22 PM PDT

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    •  Germany generally has less solar (5+ / 0-)
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      exposure than most of our states and yet they have a very successful solar program.

      •  Quite ~ we have one of the ... (4+ / 0-)
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        ... best high quality wind resources per capita in the entire world. If we decided to lead the way, we would easily make that lead stick, and then be exporting wind turbine rather than importing them because our boom and bust renewable energy policy leaves too much uncertainty to justify building the plants.

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        by BruceMcF on Sat Mar 19, 2011 at 01:45:55 PM PDT

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