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  •  somehow (1+ / 0-)
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    i'd like to see the evidence.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:41:24 AM PDT

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    •  Well, since you appear to have internet (0+ / 0-)

      access, I can think of no reason why you haven't . . .  (well, actually I can -it rather puts a damper on your nuclear power bashing) but whatever, here's a couple:

      from Scientific American


      from the New York Times

      •  yes (0+ / 0-)

        both refer to basel, which is the only example ever linked. and not definitively proved.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:47:42 AM PDT

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        •  They've been reported in (0+ / 0-)

          California, Germany, and Chile as well . . .

          link

          And about the "definitive proof" - well that's just fall down freakin' hilarious coming from you - or maybe it was some high level snark that went over my head, who knows.

          •  too funny (1+ / 0-)
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            chile wasn't an earthquake, no causality in germany, and an earthquake in sonoma- how unheard of!

            so, you have scattered circumstantial evidence while i cite actual scientific studies, and dozens of documented cases of nuclear industry lies and cover-ups. do keep trying.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:58:51 AM PDT

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            •  OK, I believe we've come full circle . . . (0+ / 0-)
              dozens of documented cases of nuclear industry lies and cover-ups. do keep trying

              again, since the nuclear power industry has been so freaking corrupt and incompetent - yet has been by far the safest of any major (e.g., coal, natural gas, or hydroelectric) generation method - just think if they did it right!!    Dare I say France might be an example of that?

              •  ah- the hedge (1+ / 0-)
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                major, as in heavily subsidized and couldn't survive without it. maybe we should make solar and wind major. but i'm guessing you haven't read jacobson.

                The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 08:03:37 AM PDT

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                •  Was this rhetorical? (0+ / 0-)
                  maybe we should make solar and wind major?

                  Yeah, sure if there was any way (politically speaking, the technology seems to be in place) to do this - absolutely, it should be done ASAP.

                  However, at present wind and solar remain boutique sources of electricity.

                  I suspect we totally agree that ramping up these sources of energy as fast as possible is what absolutely needs to be done - my solution would be to transfer 75% of the military budget to that (which is absolute fantasy, of course!).

                  Where we seem to disagree, however, is that you wish to do this to phase out something relatively safe (nuclear) instead of something really (coal) or moderately (natural gas) dangerous . . .

                  •  given the cost, the risk, (0+ / 0-)

                    and the overall inefficiency, and given that clean renewables can carry the load by themselves, i see no reason to sink more money into a failed technology.

                    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                    by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 08:14:58 AM PDT

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              •  if it is so safe why can't nukes get insurance (2+ / 0-)
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                companies to cover them 100% in the event of an accident.

                Are insurance companies part of the anti-nuke conspiracy too?

          •  If you weren't snotty in this thread tangent.... (0+ / 0-)

            I'd have considered listening to you.  If you want to make a point, try a little respect.

            No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

            by Magster on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 08:13:22 AM PDT

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      •  can you link to a peer-reviewed study by geologist (0+ / 0-)

        Preferably more than one.

        Thanks.

        (Citing newspaper articles as scientific data is creationist-level "research".)

         

        •  It's disussed in Nature (0+ / 0-)

          (if you haven't heard of it, it's a rather prestigious science journal . .. ).

          Geothermal quake risks must be faced.

          The brute-force approach of EGS is attractively simple. And it has, theoretically, the capacity to generate large amounts of alternative energy by tapping a virtually unlimited source — the heat stored deep inside Earth. An expert panel convened at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge in 2006 estimated that EGS could provide up to 100,000 megawatts of electricity in the United States by 2050, or about 10% of the current national capacity — a very large proportion for an alternative energy source. In October, the United States announced that up to US$132.9 million from the recovery act would be directed at EGS demonstration projects, and big names including Google have invested in the technology.

          The drawback is that such enhanced geothermal systems can induce earthquakes. The initial stimulation creates micro-earthquakes that might be felt at the surface or even produce damage. And the pressurized water forced into the rock could interact with existing deep faults, generating potentially large quakes.

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