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  •  key aspect of disinformation message (5+ / 0-)
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    The public also remains as confused about the law today as it was a year ago: About 53 percent of Americans said they are confused, the survey found. That is even more widespread among the uninsured and low-income Americans – the groups who have the most to gain from the law, particularly when most coverage expansions take effect in 2014. About six in 10 in these groups report a lack of understand....

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    by annieli on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 08:50:29 AM PDT

    •  In particular they misunderstand the mandate. (3+ / 0-)
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      And once again misleading messaging makes people dislike policy that's in their best interests.

      Guide to my comments: When in doubt, assume sarcasm.

      by Gray on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 08:55:03 AM PDT

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      •  false consciousness is hard to smash (1+ / 0-)
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        The concept flows from the theory of commodity fetishism — that people experience social relationships as value relations between things, e.g., between the cash in their wage packet and the shirts they want. The cash and the shirt appear to conduct social relations independently of the humans involved, determining who gets what by their inherent values. This leaves the person who earned the cash and the people who made the shirt ignorant of and alienated from their social relationship with each other. So the individual "resolves" the experiences of alienation and oppression through a false conception based on a "natural law" argument that there is a fundamental need to compete with others for commodities.

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        by annieli on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 09:03:14 AM PDT

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        •  for example (1+ / 0-)
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          The Kaiser Family Foundation is not associated with Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser Industries.
          When the war came to an end, the shipyard workforce fell from 90,000 to just 13,000 employees in only a few months. Only about a dozen of the 75 members of the medical group remained. But Dr. Garfield wanted to keep practicing his new form of health care delivery, and Kaiser wanted the plan to continue as well. Therefore, on October 1, 1945, the Permanente Health Plan officially opened to the public. In 10 years, enrollment surpassed 300,000 members in Northern California. In these early years, the success of the health plan was largely the result of support from unions. Two unions—the International Longshoremen’s and Warehousemen’s Union and the Retail Clerks Union—were the driving force behind bringing the health plan to Los Angeles. In 1952, the name of the Health Plan and the Hospitals was changed from Permanente, which some felt had little meaning outside the organization, to Kaiser, which had high recognition nationally because of Kaiser Industries and Henry J. Kaiser himself. The medical group chose to keep the Permanente name, in part to clarify that they were not employees of Henry J. Kaiser. Thus, the organization known in modern times as Kaiser Permanente was born. We are still a working partnership of two organizations: the not-for-profit Kaiser Foundation Health Plan and Hospitals, and the Permanente Medical Groups....

          Kaiser Permanente has a long history of supporting affordable access to high-quality health care. From our earliest days providing health care to workers in the Kaiser shipyards of World War II to our current programs that provide subsidized coverage to those in economic distress, care-and-coverage-for-all has been central to our mission...

          This legislation includes a few provisions which we hope will be revisited in the future. Effective implementation of the annual insurer tax and Medicare Advantage rate changes will require ongoing partnership and dialogue with policymakers.

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          by annieli on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 09:12:30 AM PDT

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          •  Some HMOs are non-profit such as Kaiser Permanente (0+ / 0-)
            Report covers Medicare Plans and basic health insurance plans: CAHP, PERSCare, Kaiser Permanente, PORAC, Blue Shield, PERS Choice, and CCPOA. Members rated CAHP the highest overall, but the highest medical composite ratings (clinical performance scores), and mental health composite ratings went to Kaiser Permanente. California - CalPERS 2009 Health Insurance Plan Member Ratings (pdf)

            And others are Doc-in-the-Box

            Why Insurers Prefer Non-Appointment Patients: As part of the Humana-MinuteClinic alliance, the 500-location walk-in medical center chain will market health screenings and wellness programs to Humana members. They also plan to build a shiny new stand-alone clinic for exclusive use by Humana employees and their families at its downtown Louisville, Ky. headquarters. For the most part, MinuteClinics are housed inside CVS pharmacy locations. Now that's one-stop shopping and streamlined revenue at its finest. But it's also a model of healthcare efficiency and a sign of more consolidating to come, say proponents of the deal...

            Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above "Nous sommes un groupuscule" join the DAILY KOS UNIVERSITY "makes Beck U. and the Limbaugh Institute look like Romper Room"

            by annieli on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 09:32:42 AM PDT

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      •  ACA is in no one's "best interest" (2+ / 0-)
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        It's a piece of crap legislation.  And it is already a failure.

        It is such a tremendous failure that over 1,000 health care plans, covering 2.6 million people, have had to apply for exemptions because the requirements are so onerous... exemptions from provisions that were supposed to protect working men and women..

        Under the law and rules issued by the administration, health plans this year must generally provide at least $750,000 in annual coverage for essential benefits like hospital care, doctors’ services and prescription drugs. The government may grant a one-year exemption from the requirement if it is shown that compliance would cause a significant increase in premiums or a significant decrease in access to benefits.

        Such waivers have gone to entities as diverse as the Waffle House and Ruby Tuesday, health plans run by Aetna and Cigna, and labor unions representing Teamsters, electrical workers, plumbers, carpenters and food and commercial workers.

        And back to your "best interest" comment.. Millions of people who will still not be able to afford the mandated insurance will be punished and fined $750.. and they will likely gladly pay that fine rather than come up with thousands of dollars of "mandated" insurance.  What a boon to working Americans ACA has turned out to be.. costs just keep going up.. working Americans get screwed. Nice.

        •  beg to differ on exemptions (2+ / 0-)
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          Many of the exemptions follow from the "if you like your health care plan you can keep it" promise. In order to keep that promise they have to issue exemptions for existing plans. There was a good segment on exemptions on NPR yesterday--Monday March 21.
          It's becoming a right-wing talking point that the exemptions are due to the crushing and onerous regulations included in the ACA.
          I'm not making any larger point--just adding another perspective on the exemption question.

          To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

          by kareylou on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 09:16:38 AM PDT

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          •  I disagree.. (1+ / 0-)
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            One of the biggest selling points of ACA was consumer protection... doing away with small annual benefit caps... mandating coverage of preventive services and minimum prescription coverage.

            Throwing those things out the window because they are a "hardship" to implement speaks volumes of how poorly constructed the bill is.

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