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  •  again you put words in my mouth and make (0+ / 0-)

    ridiculous statements.

    In the post where I made that incorrect statement. I was discussing how this operation could end up like the Balkans. Very few civilian casualities, the bad guy is kicked out and caught and many lives are saved.

    Someone decided instead of responded to the substance of my post to mention that I was wrong and that two US soldiers did die. I was wrong in that statement, admit it and apologize but it does not take away fro my point.

    THis operation could end up working and going well. You just seem to assume it wont

    •  We killed thousands of civilians. (0+ / 0-)

      Calling that "very few" is a big stretch.

      On the other side of ..."Taghyir" or "Change" Square, others stripped off their jackets and advanced towards the gunfire, pointing towards their chests...in an invitation to shoot.

      by JesseCW on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:12:31 PM PDT

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      •  THousands is also a stretch (0+ / 0-)
        Human Rights Watch has found that there were ninety separate incidents involving civilian deaths during the seventy-eight day bombing campaign. Some 500 Yugoslav civilians are known to have died in these incidents.

        http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/...

        Again when I say a few that is realtive to what Milsovich was doing and genocide he was committing. Did innocent people die? Yes. Were many more lives saved? Yes.

        •   The vast majority of civilians casualties in (1+ / 0-)
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          that war occurred after our intervention began.  We "stopped a genocide" in Bosnia like we did in WWII.

          Incidentally.

          If you think NATO's count of the civilians NATO killed is the way to go, have fun.

          The passive voice here -

          Did innocent people die?

          says all that needs to be said about your purpose here, and it's not discussion.

          Innocent people were fucking killed.  They didn't just, oh wow, somehow happen to pass away of some unknown cause.

          On the other side of ..."Taghyir" or "Change" Square, others stripped off their jackets and advanced towards the gunfire, pointing towards their chests...in an invitation to shoot.

          by JesseCW on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:54:40 PM PDT

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          •  innocent people die in every war (0+ / 0-)

            does that mean no matter what no matter the circumstance the US should not get involved in a war?

            I understand its upsetting and horrible I feel the same way. But I am just trying to see where you draw lines on intervention?

            Also the numbers I cited were not NATOs numbers it was Human Rights Watch...

            •  You are astounding... (0+ / 0-)

              Hopefully, when war reaches out and touches us, you will also be cavalier about the innocents who die around you...

              Because, you know what?  Innocents DO die all around you in war...most of us who have experienced that are not cavalier about it.

              "Stand up, Get up" ~ Bob Marley

              by trinityfly on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 08:39:52 PM PDT

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              •  how am I being cavalier about it? (0+ / 0-)

                Because I said people in die every war?

                I just stated a fact... I dont see how that makes me cavalier with peoples lives...

                I really think there is something being lost in the fact that you are reading this and not hearing me say it.

                I am sorry that I do not express how people die in every war with the right tone that you are looking for.

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