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  •  I'm not voting for Obama again. (4+ / 0-)

    Flame away. The facts are the facts.

    •  That is your choice. (2+ / 0-)

      But, it might be better to make your decision after you see who he's running against.

    •  Yes because McCain would have (0+ / 0-)

      solved all of our problems.  

      •  I am so tired of this comment. (5+ / 0-)

        No, I don't think McCain would have solved all our problems. Nor do I think Obama will solve all our problems. You know why? Because McCain and Obama play for the same team.

        I don't know why I post here. I am pro health care, pro union, pro everything you are. But I absolutely believe Obama is a lying tool. Just like McCain. Just like Palin. Just like all politicians. Because politicians are sociopaths, and they are never going to help the people of this country.

        •  but you can think all politicians (2+ / 0-)
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          act out of base self-interest, acting only to promote themselves, and still make sure that their self-interest includes implementing policies that you support.  It just is harder than we want it to be that way, I think.  It would be much easier if there was one enlightened, powerful, standard-bearer, who could (and would) do all the right things on principle, steam-rollering over any opposition, from other politicians or from the American people who don't get it yet, for that matter.  

          But that really can't happen.  And probably shouldn't, truth be told.  But if the solution includes convincing 50+ percent of the American people that a certain course is absolutely in their best interest, and the right thing to do, then a crass, craven, self-interested politician would be a damn fool to not jump on board.  And frankly I couldn't give a damn why any president signs a law, so long as it gets supported by the American people, voted for by the Congress, and lands on his/her damn desk and s/he signs the sucker.  

          Moving the country forward that way is damn hard.  But it sure as hell makes the changes we get more likely to stick than if it's just one guy, and we have to live in terror of the guy on the other side overturning it all out of his own warped "principles".  

           It's hard.  But what's happened in WI has given me a renewed sense of how it's possible to reach people and have the course turn more quickly when we work together and the issues are put so starkly out there.  

          (Sadly, in Kathmandu no longer.)

          by American in Kathmandu on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 08:46:55 PM PDT

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          •  Thank you for being decent. (1+ / 0-)
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            American in Kathmandu

            Thsi country is in Shock Doctrine territory. The situation in Wisconsin is magnificant. Every day, I wish I could be there to support my courageous brothers and sisters. But I am there in spirit, and I'm waiting for their experience to be imported to my home state, where they've slashed the education budget 50 percent.

            I will be there on my feet and with my voice, and I no longer expect any politician, anywhere, to speak or act for me.

      •  McCain undoubtedly would have been worse (2+ / 0-)
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        Probably just as terrible as Scott Walker. So after two years, we would have probably increased our margins in Congress (historically the party holding the White House loses seats, as Obama certainly did), the GOP brand would have been further trashed, so Walker and other GOP governors would have lost their races, and we'd have a nationwide movement similar to what's going on in WI and MI right now.

        So your stupid little snide remark is, in some sense, correct. We could possibly have had fewer problems if McCain had been elected, of which there was about zero chance in the first place, given that any Dem could have beaten McCain after the Bush meltdown.

        McCain would have certainly made some problems worse, to a greater extent than Obama has done and appears to relish doing further. Neither of them appears to be a solution to much of anything.

        We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. - John F Kennedy

        by badger on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:20:17 PM PDT

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    •  Feel free (2+ / 0-)
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      Do you want to be persuaded to vote for him?  We're all adults here.  Stay home.

      Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.

      by chicago minx on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 06:22:44 PM PDT

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    •  Go to the polls anyway (1+ / 0-)
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      and vote for local politicians you believe in.

      "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

      by sancerre2001 on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 06:51:16 PM PDT

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      •  Poster doesn't believe (1+ / 0-)
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        in ANY politician when they write stuff like this:

        Because politicians are sociopaths

        therefore, they cannot vote for local politicians they believe in.

        Where do you go with a political philosophy like that?

        One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble ... Murray Head

        by virginislandsguy on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 04:18:08 AM PDT

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    •  Say it with me: "Supreme Court Palin appointees." (1+ / 0-)
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      You like Roberts, Alito, Scalia? Because you'll get decades more of the same from Palin appointees.

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:09:42 PM PDT

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      •  Worse (1+ / 0-)
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        Associate Judge Nancy Grace.

        "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

        by sancerre2001 on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 09:36:53 AM PDT

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