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  •  Why don't we talk about (5+ / 0-)

    the fact that for the five hundred years before Galileo, the Roman Catholic church was the main promoter of scientific inquiry in Europe.  The medieval university was not a secular institution.

    •  This book makes your point as well. (4+ / 0-)
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      roseeriter, dirkster42, JDsg, DruidQueen

      How The Irish Saved Civilization: The Untold Story of Ireland's Heroic Role from the Fall of Rome to the Rise of Medieval Europe is a non-fiction historical book written by Thomas Cahill.

      Monks saved our history and culture.

      I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

      by CherryTheTart on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 06:51:28 AM PDT

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    •  And what did they discover? (0+ / 0-)

      Let's see:

      CROWD:  A witch!  A witch!  A witch!  We've got a witch!  A witch!
        VILLAGER #1:  We have found a witch, might we burn her?
        CROWD:  Burn her!  Burn!
        BEDEMIR:  How do you know she is a witch?
        VILLAGER #2:  She looks like one.
        BEDEMIR:  Bring her forward.
        WITCH:  I'm not a witch.  I'm not a witch.
        BEDEMIR:  But you are dressed as one.
        WITCH:  They dressed me up like this.
        CROWD:  No, we didn't... no.
        WITCH:  And this isn't my nose, it's a false one.
        BEDEMIR:  Well?
        VILLAGER #1:  Well, we did do the nose.
        BEDEMIR:  The nose?
        VILLAGER #1:  And the hat -- but she is a witch!
        CROWD:  Burn her!  Witch!  Witch!  Burn her!
        BEDEMIR:  Did you dress her up like this?
        CROWD:  No, no... no ... yes.  Yes, yes, a bit, a bit.
        VILLAGER #1:  She has got a wart.
        BEDEMIR:  What makes you think she is a witch?
        VILLAGER #3:  Well, she turned me into a newt.
        BEDEMIR:  A newt?
        VILLAGER #3:  I got better.
        VILLAGER #2:  Burn her anyway!
        CROWD:  Burn!  Burn her!
        BEDEMIR:  Quiet, quiet.  Quiet!  There are ways of telling whether
            she is a witch.
        CROWD:  Are there?  What are they?
        BEDEMIR:  Tell me, what do you do with witches?
        VILLAGER #2:  Burn!
        CROWD:  Burn, burn them up!
        BEDEMIR:  And what do you burn apart from witches?
        VILLAGER #1:  More witches!
        VILLAGER #2:  Wood!
        BEDEMIR:  So, why do witches burn?
        VILLAGER #3:  B--... 'cause they're made of wood...?
        BEDEMIR:  Good!
        CROWD:  Oh yeah, yeah...
        BEDEMIR:  So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
        VILLAGER #1:  Build a bridge out of her.
        BEDEMIR:  Aah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?
        VILLAGER #2:  Oh, yeah.
        BEDEMIR:  Does wood sink in water?
        VILLAGER #1:  No, no.
        VILLAGER #2:  It floats!  It floats!
        VILLAGER #1:  Throw her into the pond!
        CROWD:  The pond!
        BEDEMIR:  What also floats in water?
        VILLAGER #1:  Bread!
        VILLAGER #2:  Apples!
        VILLAGER #3:  Very small rocks!
        VILLAGER #1:  Cider!
        VILLAGER #2:  Great gravy!
        VILLAGER #1:  Cherries!
        VILLAGER #2:  Mud!
        VILLAGER #3:  Churches -- churches!
        VILLAGER #2:  Lead -- lead!
        ARTHUR:  A duck.
        CROWD:  Oooh.
        BEDEMIR:  Exactly!  So, logically...,
        VILLAGER #1:  If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.
        BEDEMIR:  And therefore--?
        VILLAGER #1:  A witch!
        CROWD:  A witch!
        BEDEMIR:  We shall use my larger scales!
        BEDEMIR:  Right, remove the supports!
        CROWD:  A witch!  A witch!
        WITCH:  It's a fair cop.
        CROWD:  Burn her!  Burn!  [yelling]
        BEDEMIR:  Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

      One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / the next it's rolling over me / I can get back on / I can get back on

      by slippytoad on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:19:20 AM PDT

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      •  I love Monty Python. (2+ / 0-)
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        It's not a contemporary historical source, though.

        Witch-hunting actually spiked in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, the age of the Renaissance, not during the middle ages.  Furthermore, one of the most vehement arguments against witch-hunting in the sixteenth century was by Johann Weyer, who argued that witchcraft is a contract between a mere human and the Devil, which is null and void because the parties are so unequally matched.  And, the Basque inquisition, which was charged with rooting out heresy and did all sorts of indefensible things on that front, did a great deal to prevent witch trials from going forward.

      •  This proves only that you can quote Monty Python (0+ / 0-)

        Monks (and nuns) not only preserved classical manuscripts, they translated numerous Arabic scientific and medical treatises into Latin.  Roger Bacon and Hildegarde von Bingen are only two of the many who kept the light of science alive during the Middle Ages.

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