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  •  you're making stuff up about other Kossacks (1+ / 0-)
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    Geoffrey Williamson
    If you think governance and political ideology has nothing to do with lives of the populous why the FUCK ARE YOU HERE.

    Did you not even read the part of the sentence you left out, or what? Here's how it started:
    While I tend to agree with the implied conclusion of the diarist....

    What part of that do you not understand?

    Weak arguments don't become stronger just because we agree with the conclusions.

    •  FWIW, there were some good data, too (1+ / 0-)
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      Not all of the data in the diary was subject to this refutation. The analysis of which presidents have budget surpluses, e.g., seems to be on much more solid footing, for establishing causation, as well as the note about Fox viewers.

      But it's AXIOMATIC in politics that people vote pocketbook issues, and thus income itself is a causal factor here. Even though there may be causation the other way around, as well, we know for a fact that there is a reasonable alternative explanation for correlation between economic well-being and political ideology.

      •  Bartels has made the economic case pretty well (2+ / 0-)

        in Unequal Democracy (the first part) -- i.e., the case that Republican presidents rather consistently have had worse economic outcomes, hard to attribute to chance.

        And, yes, I don't doubt that Fox News actively misinforms people, and there's lots of evidence of that.

      •  That axiom is incorrect in the case of most (2+ / 0-)

        Republicans, however. They are voting against their pocketbooks, and have been since 1980, in favor of whatever religio-cultural "values" their candidates say they espouse.

        •  Well they usually are considering money, too (1+ / 0-)
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          but often in terms of, "Democrats want to give money to someone who isn't me." This is then somehow turned into "Democrats are going to take my money away and give it to THOSE people," when what's really happening is the Republicans are taking EVERYONE's money and giving it to their donors.

          •  I wonder, (0+ / 0-)

            though, how much of that possibility is overstated by those seeking to exploit racial/ethnic tensions for their own gain (as opposed to politicians doing so.) Dog whistles aside, the rhetoric of the right wing is far more religious/"moral" in nature when placing themselves in opposition to their Democratic electoral foes. The question becomes: why are Republicans Republican?
            Of course I believe that racism/ethnic hostility exists, and many have inflamed fear of the Other to thwart class consciousness from getting political play, but I think the Republicans since Reagan have more usually used "values" issues as their club to spur people to ignore their wallets, otherwise the religious right would have probably continued to ignore electoral politics like they had until the late 1970s.

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