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  •  I'm willing to believe (9+ / 0-)

    that huminitarianism is partly behind the intervention. Military actions of this nature usually don't have a singular cause, and there are people with different agendas influencing the decision. I don't think Samantha Power is personally interested in Libya's oil.

    But well-intended wars can still, and usually do, go hopelessly wrong. More to the point, while the U.S. might have an interest in stopping slaughter; it doesn't have an interest is allowing Libyan self-determination. Its narrow-minded national security and economic interests will kick in and dominate. So protecting civilians and respecting Libyans' full human rights are two different things, but in judging this intervention, they can't be separated.  

    Anyway, As'ad AbuKhalil has a view similar to Dabashi's, though he puts it a little less delicately.


    The Western/Saudi/Qatari military intervention in Libya sets a dangerous precedent.  The charade of overthrowing regimes and invading countries in the name of democracy was a bloody farce in the case of Bush era.  They now don't need to do that.  They can just jump on the case where they see a potential for a real democratic change and then guarantee the installation of a puppet regime without having "boots on the ground", as Obama kept warning in White House meetings.  They bomb and kill and manage to maintain a high tone of moral uprightness while the puppet Arab League puts its ugly stamp to make it look like an Arab affair.  A useful idiot is needed, of course, and Mustafa `Abdul-Al-Jalil is perfect for the role and he has been so chummy with Saudi propaganda as of late.  Obama has modified Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: not only maintaining the occupations but guaranteeing long-term presence in both countries.  He has also started a war in Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen where the US is a major force in the war there.  Western enthusiasm for intervention in Libya has never even been explained: why the hundreds of deaths in Egypt or Tunisia did not warrant any condemnation (the State Department did manage to condemn the protesters in Egypt, lest we forget too soon)?  Israel manages to kill far more than Qadhdhafi and in shorter periods of time, and we never encounter the "humanitarian" impulse of Western governments there.  Western military intervention in Libya is far more dangerous: it is intended to legitimize the return of colonial powers to our region and 2) perhaps as importantly to abort democratic uprisings all over the region.  Bahrain of today is the vision for Libya of tomorrow, as far as the West is concerned.

    •  Well said, David.... (4+ / 0-)
      while the U.S. might have an interest in stopping slaughter; it doesn't have an interest is allowing Libyan self-determination

      Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

      by Edger on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:53:10 AM PDT

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    •  Everyone knows the Iraq war was and is illegal. (4+ / 0-)
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      Bush lied, people died, maybe up to one million Iraqis.  And nothing is done about it, in fact Bush and Cheney are allowed to walk around free men living extravagant lives.   With that content, to me thinking any part of this is for humanitarian reasons is not correct.  I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.  

      S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 09:04:56 AM PDT

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    •  Great points! (0+ / 0-)

      Indeed, motivations are mixed in these matters. What you see, in my view, is that the emergent Imperial (and this is not a strictly U.S. system) needs to integrate all societies particularly the critical oil-producing states and regions under at least indirect rule of the emergent ruling elites (dominated by the finance oligarchs).

      If an opportunity exists where "humanitarian" concerns can be used as a cover for imperial outreach (which may actually benefit the people) then go for it. Lybia is such a case.

      We'll see how the current coalition does and what degree of slaughter we will see.

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