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    jay23
    Who is telling them these lies?

    The uber wealthy. The top 5%, and especially 1%, are the ones who call most of the shots these days. Their power is well documented. We can try to pretend that the massive wealth disparity in this country has nothing to do with our current situation, but that would be idiotic. We have classes in this country.

    I disagree with this narrative.  Many of the wealthy got rich because the lies agreed with them not the other way around.  I think cause and effect have been reversed in this version.  The people living in the fantasy came first - then the wealth inequality followed.

    •  I wasn't writing about who created the lies (1+ / 0-)
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      disrael

      in the first place.

      The quote you use in speaking in present tense, speaking about what his happening now. If I said, "Who told them these lies" then I would have had to explain the persons who crafted the myth over time. I think it is undeniable that the top 5% and especially 1% are promoting the lies, just take a look at the Koch Brothers.

      I completely agree that the fantasy allowed the uber wealthy to become what they are.

      •  In other words, who is lying to them now? (0+ / 0-)

        The monied elites of this country, thats who. And since this has been ongoing for decades, they repeat these lies in their echo chamber to each other.

        •  Okay but even if no one told them lies (1+ / 0-)
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          FinchJ

          they would still be living in a fantasy world.  The people telling lies might be slowing down our efforts to get them out of the fantasy world - or then again maybe our efforts would have failed anyway.

          •  How did they enter a fantasy world (1+ / 0-)
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            disrael

            if there was no one invited them in?

            (Not trying to derail the diary or anything, I'm honestly curious. I have to go to work in about a half hour but I'll keep following this thread until then. It is a good discussion to have and I'm all ears!)

            •  Their jobs required it (1+ / 0-)
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              FinchJ

              They were pushed off the farms and out of factories into more abstract positions.  They then became open to adopting whatever it took to make their new positions seem reasonable - and also as a rec list rant points out they lost their communities that were based on the old producing things jobs.  And the population jumped also.  Of course this is also an over simplification of what happened but in short the suckers came first and then the circus.

              •  I think its a good mix of both. (1+ / 0-)
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                disrael

                Where the balance between willful adoption of whatever it took and the willful dispension of a narrative to make it work lies, we cannot be sure.

                Now to go do a job that I know serves little real value.

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