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  •  Informing the uninformed about teachers (1+ / 0-)
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    caul

    Teachers "cooking" a test? Not possible.

    There is a script that teachers have to read when administering the test. We do not have an answer key. When the test is completed, the teacher binds up the test booklets and also seals the answer sheets in an envelope. No teacher has access to the test materials once the students have completed it.

    They are collected by a specific individual who has agreed to forfeit a kidney should anything hinky happen. They are packed in boxes as per the specific state DOE instructions and are shipped for grading.

    If adminstrators or central office personnel (like Rhee) commit ethics violations that's another matter.

    Apology accepted...

    'We can make the trains run on time but if they are not going where we want them to go, why bother?' Neil Postman

    by history first on Mon Mar 28, 2011 at 12:26:08 PM PDT

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    •  So Rhee changed test scores (1+ / 0-)
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      princss6

      in 80% of the flagged classroooms? Realy? That's what you're going with here? Really? My, that Rhee. What a busy, busy gal.

      And your proof would be what, again? Because clearly you know something that not even the investigative article that's linked knows. So do tell.

      Or in lieu of presenting anything that remotely backs up your claims...apology accepted...

      Oh, and please note since reading comprehension does not seem your strong suit that I specifically said teachers or administrators (you know, as in principals.)

      I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

      by Pager on Mon Mar 28, 2011 at 01:39:56 PM PDT

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      •  personal insult is out of bounds (0+ / 0-)

        Myriad viewpoints, opinions and constructive dialog are welcomed and appreciated.  Personal insults are not.

        'We can make the trains run on time but if they are not going where we want them to go, why bother?' Neil Postman

        by history first on Mon Mar 28, 2011 at 02:18:05 PM PDT

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        •  Which part was an insult? (1+ / 0-)
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          Asking you to back up your insinuations?

          I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

          by Pager on Mon Mar 28, 2011 at 02:26:07 PM PDT

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    •  But couldn't the teachers walk around and correct (0+ / 0-)

      the kids' answers as they were doing the tests?

      Seems like the central failing is letting the same teachers administer the test, who will be evaluated by those same tests. Why didn't they switch the teachers to different schools on the test day. There would be no incentive to cheat. (Probably an adverse incentive to sabotage though).

      •  hard to say (0+ / 0-)

        If (and I have my doubts) the teachers had anything to do with it, it didn't happen during the test. The students would be able to say "yes he/she told me the answer". Wherever it did happen, students did not witness it.

        Your idea has merit. Simply switching teachers to different classrooms would do. It reminds me of typical SAT or AP test administration.

        In VA, however, the thinking is that the students will be more apt to remember if they take the test in the room in which they learned the material and with the teacher from whom they learned it (context clues to aid recall).

        'We can make the trains run on time but if they are not going where we want them to go, why bother?' Neil Postman

        by history first on Mon Mar 28, 2011 at 05:24:33 PM PDT

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        •  Probably easy to co-opt the students (0+ / 0-)

          The students were probably told something along the lines of 'if you don't pass this test you won't graduate X Grade'.  The kid will clam up.

          I remember when I was in jr high, one history teacher actually gave us all the answers the day before a final exam. As far as I know, every student was grateful, and nobody complained.

          •  they already know (0+ / 0-)

            that if they don't pass the test they fail the course. You can cut that stress and anxiety with a knife starting late April-early May.

            It's more plausible to me that some (ok, maybe teachers) adminstrators and/or central office people colluded, either to please Ms. Rhee or on her authority.

            Plus it's obvious that their test security protocols are lousy! We teachers in VA have to sign confidentiality agreements, sign out and back in the booklets and answer sheets. If you don't turn them in within 10 minutes of your class ending they come find you-for real! They are sealed and boxed by the end of the day on which they're taken.

            Sorry to read about your history teacher. That kind of stuff makes it hard for the rest of us to set high the bar of expectations...just sayin'

            'We can make the trains run on time but if they are not going where we want them to go, why bother?' Neil Postman

            by history first on Mon Mar 28, 2011 at 06:02:18 PM PDT

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            •  Don't worry- that history teacher was in (0+ / 0-)

              Hong Kong.

              It was one of the best (among the top ~3) public schools in Hong Kong as well.

              •  Sure the teacher wasn't kin to Michelle Rhee? (0+ / 0-)

                'We can make the trains run on time but if they are not going where we want them to go, why bother?' Neil Postman

                by history first on Tue Mar 29, 2011 at 07:17:45 AM PDT

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                •  in spirit definitely related (0+ / 0-)

                  I kind of feel sorry for her though. She was an older lady who loved her subject (chinese history). She would sit there and recite classical chinese poetry by heart to us. Of course she was talking to a generation of materialist kids who, growing up in the British Crown Colony, and attending a primarily english school, had very little regard for classical chinese literature or culture. The colonial government itself was at best ambivalent about chinese education (it seems like their goal was to turn out kids who were equally bad at english and chinese). Who knows what kind of pressure this lady was under. Whereever she is now, I hope she is reading the classics and at peace with herself.

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