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  •  Why? (11+ / 0-)

    Why does the GOP Hate American Jobs?

    and Good paying Jobs for Americans?

    Got Time?
    Take ten, to find something else informative and fun to read. Thx.

    by jamess on Wed Apr 06, 2011 at 09:14:23 PM PDT

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    •  because American workers are more expensive (20+ / 0-)

      than third world workers.  The GOP care about profits, not a healthy economy.  If they can make stuff cheaper in China and sell it here at great profit, that's all that matters.  And when people here can no longer afford it, they've got the rest of the globalized economy to sell to.  

      Would we be so happy to have a military that dwarfs all others combined if it was a line item deduction on our paychecks next to FICA."

      by Back In Blue on Wed Apr 06, 2011 at 09:25:28 PM PDT

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      •  So maybe (13+ / 0-)

        The GOP Reps should "move themselves" offshore, too?

        you know, Get closer to their constituency ...

        Got Time?
        Take ten, to find something else informative and fun to read. Thx.

        by jamess on Wed Apr 06, 2011 at 09:33:00 PM PDT

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        •  now, now Jamess; (3+ / 0-)
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          You don't see the factory owners living in factory row housing do you? Down in the slop with the filthy commoners?
          It's just not done, old boy.
          Sends the wrong message. One the rabble really needn't hear.
          'Sides, America has lots of freedoms TM that you just can't get if you lived in some other (less white, non-American speaking) place.

          Sexual orientation is as irrelevent on the battlefield as military rank is in the bedroom.

          by kamarvt on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 04:46:20 AM PDT

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        •  They already have. (0+ / 0-)

          They have headquarters and homes in multiple countries.  They own politicians in all of those countries.  They've got special bank accounts hidden away in south america and elsewhere and lot's of people to sell to all over the world.  Don't forget, it's not just consumer goods, it's energy, raw materials, military, industrial, food, chemicals, etc.

          They don't need to live in the us and many spend most of their time elsewhere anyway.  But even staying in the US isn't that hard, gated communities are just the beginning.  If it gets really out of hand, who counties will be gated and the masses will be put in their place.  

          It's funny.  All the conservative whack jobs think it's going to be the government who takes over, but it's the corporations who we have to fear.  Of course, I'm sure many of them know this and have made their choice.

          As for the "freedoms" that kamarvt refers to?  Well, the plutocracy have all the money, so they have all the power.  What do they need with freedoms?

          Would we be so happy to have a military that dwarfs all others combined if it was a line item deduction on our paychecks next to FICA."

          by Back In Blue on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 10:24:23 AM PDT

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    •  GOP only cares about Wall Street and tea party (3+ / 0-)
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      They maximize profits for Wall Street. The repeal of Wall Street regulations, which brings us right back to the bubble speculations that require tax payer bail outs once in a while when everything crashes. It is insane to repeal these regulations. The next recession is programed.

      They are pushing an unprecedented assault on workers rights, social and environmental regulation. They are basically trying to repeal the 20 th century. The excuse for this is the deficit. They don't care actually about the deficit. They created it in the first place under Bush. They are creating it in WI to have an excuse to move against unions. This is just about politics. An excuse to repeal the 20 th century.

      Now remember the 19 th century in England? Things were so bad, no protection, 7 day week of work, child labor, no health insurance, no nothing, massive pollution. It was so bad that Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were able to reach many people in many countries and we actually had socialist revolutions. Well, looks like this is where we are heading.

      The deficit nonsense will result in a dramatic loss of jobs. It may take 2% of the project growth away. Now the dynamics are interesting, because Wall Street also realizes that this is bad for the economy.

      See, the tea party nonsense also leads to a situation where the GOP loses even Wall Street. Wall street could actually swing Boehner. And they should.

      In Germany the industry supported initially Hilter, much to their later regret. Turns out it is never smart to support crazy people in the first place.

      •  They don't care about the Tea Party (0+ / 0-)

        They don't care about society, they don't care about empolyees they care only about profits. That's the ethic. Until that ethic changes, i.e., all corporate charters are rewritten to include that in exchange for the right to be a corporation and receive some relief from liabilities they must act in the public interest and those acts must be enumerated and failure to fulfill the public trust means cancellation of the charter. Unlike the broadcasting charters these must have real teeth.

        •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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          the current craziness is also bad for the super rich. Bad for everyone. At this point, I would actually welcome a GOP that promotes a clear pro profit and pro Wall Street policy. It would be much more centrist than the nonsense we see at the moment. Plus it would be a rational policy. What we have now is irrational and simply crazy.

          I guess Wall street is willing to swallow the bad apples they are given and is trying to benefit from all the other good things offered to them, but shutting down government and refusing to rise the debt ceiling will push us into a depression. A depression is actually not good for the economy. Very few would benefit from it. Most companies will be hit very very hard.

          At this point, I clear protest from Wall Street would be able to swing Boehner. Goldman Sachs, Bernake etc - everybody please speak up. This is your moment to make a difference in the fate of this country.

          •  Interesting POV (2+ / 0-)
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            No, the rich don't need society that's what you may miss. What they need are places to live and play and there's a globe at their disposal. From what I know about the rich, and my experience is limited but I've got connections in that area, they don't care about large scale issues--they are remarkably focused on acquiring and maintaining power (which is one reason they may be rich) and having a good time. They don't have room in their lives to worry about the rest of us--it really seldom crosses their minds at all other than the occasional amused sneer and they have a morbid fear of socialism--they don't even want to come close to that.

            Having said all that, ultimately yes, they'll suffer but they don't believe that yet.

            Of course I'm talking about the very wealthy here--the ordinary rich are in a somewhat different position.

            •  they still need consumers (0+ / 0-)

              only a balanced society with a strong middle class can generate wealth including for the super rich.

              •  Yes, but there is every reason to be (0+ / 0-)

                confident that consumers will always be there. The evidence is pretty good--remember, we've been going through this phase of dominance by the oligarchy for decades--why should they believe things will be different when everything works so well for them? Certainly a catastrophe would make matters difficult but, if they have decent advisors, they'll have hedged for that and bought gold and they have contingency plans, at least some of them do--i.e., stored food, arms etc. In fact when things get very bad they are in a position to hire agents and servants who will have no place else to go that will provide security and alternatives.

    •  they care about profits (0+ / 0-)

      not jobs. It's not their job to care about jobs--they would be acting contrary to their corporate charters if they did. To think that being public spirited is part of any corporate agenda is to live in a land of illusions--with a handful of exceptions, mind you.

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