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  •  I see it differently. (1+ / 0-)
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    Whimsical Rapscallion

    We all have the core things in common in the diary.

    The difference is in who is being blamed, and what the "right" solution is.

    Rather than focus on that, it's better to build the movement, flaws and all, take seats, and then have the wonderful problem of debating it with authority that could lead to legislation.

    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT. #opengeekorg

    by potatohead on Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 07:32:34 PM PDT

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    •  I recced your diary for several reason. (1+ / 0-)
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      potatohead

      But I'm sorry, I have not idea what you just said in your comment.

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 07:42:23 PM PDT

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      •  LOL!!! (2+ / 0-)
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        gooderservice, lotlizard

        Well, let me try again.

        We have a core decision to make.  Do we battle out our differences here, remain divided, attempting to focus on positive legislation like a hydra

        , or

        do we unify in the effort to replace what I would call corporate politicians, or coin operated Democrats with people that will act for us first?

        I'm posing it that way, because the debates we have now, could have national teeth, if we grow the size of our movement.

        Seems to me, growing on our common needs, as stated in the diary, should come first, so that when we do resolve something, we are actually in a position to make it happen.

        The right does that you know.  And it works.

        IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT. #opengeekorg

        by potatohead on Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 07:49:06 PM PDT

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        •  I'll get back to you tomorrow, if that's okay. (1+ / 0-)
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          potatohead

          It's late for me, I worked all day, plus, and now I'm having a hard time concentrating.

          I truly want to reread your diary tomorrow and the above comment and understand it ;)

          To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

          by gooderservice on Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 08:03:41 PM PDT

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          •  While you sleep and I clearly cannot... (0+ / 0-)

            The diary is about empowering people to a productive dialog.

            We will have differences, but we also have common ground too, stated in that diary.

            Where we fail in basic form, we can hold ourselves and others to account with some basic questions and observations

            , thus

            taking the discussion away from the personal, and back onto the political and possible.

            We need that, because our movement is too small.  This is not in the diary, but implied in our mission here, and by the reality that Progressive Democrats are the only left-economic bloc in Washington.

            This means, we have to grow the numbers, period.

            And that circles back around to how the pie fights and non-productive energy impacts that growth, and the overall perception the movement, and by extension those in it and their politics, is favorable to those we need to get where we want to go.

            In very general terms, the diary contains these ideas to satisfy that "where we want to go" bit:

            1.  We are not being valued as people properly

            2.  Our labor is not being valued properly, making it hard to meet our needs.

            3.  We here, kossacks and others around the net, have wealth, in that we have the time to be here to pie fight, so why squander that when the state of things needs us as a movement much more?

            IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT. #opengeekorg

            by potatohead on Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 09:11:37 PM PDT

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