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  •  I'm totally chilled. (4.00)
    Disbelief has that effect on me.

    Let's recap.

    This is a big site. Takes money to run. That's why blog ads are there, and subscriptions are available. I haven't seen Kos mention that finances are getting tight, so I'm going to say costs are being covered  is a reasonable assumption.

    There are several different ways to view comments. They can be sorted  or sliced and diced any number of ways to maximize the reader's convenience and speed of connection.

    One of the baselines in a large, heavily trafficed site is that you're going to get a lot of posts to manage.

    And there are all levels of readers and commenters in the 30 or 40k members here. Some of them will be a bit shy about chiming in when there are so many prolific posters, unsure about what they have to offer in the dialog.

    I can recall several posters who've expressed that concern and written very moving, intelligent, inspiring posts once they built up enough courage to wade in.

    This diary, with it's assumption that short comments that let a poster get their toe in the conversational water, so to speak, are a waste of  time, bandwidth, and money, can have the effect if not the intention of running those people off.

    I've run and am running much smaller communities, I'll grant, but the one thing I cannot abide is one poster or group of posters having the gall to tell some other group that what they have to say isn't worth the time to read. So, this diary hits a hot button for me, but I mean every word I'm typing here.

    Skip it. Scroll down. Use the tools of this site, including the hot list and several other really quite impressive programming options to maximize your use of the blog rather than insisting that others should minimize theirs.

    Troll rate me if you like, though my record will certainly show I'm no more a troll than Aaron is, but I stand by assuming dick-like behaviour comes from a dick. Hopefully, only a temporary one.

    Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.-Thomas Jefferson
    We are the resistance.

    by boadicea on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 04:21:06 PM PST

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    •  Excellent reply (none)
      Although you don't need me to tell you that.

      What you say is convincing, but it doesn't dispell my iritation at having to wade through one (100) too many hi-five or 'group hug' equivalents in long threads.  I know DailyKos comments are better managed that the totally useless comments at Eschaton, but still.

      I'll have to think a little more about this.

      we gonna smash their brains in / cause they ain´t got nofink in ´em -- Linton Kwesi Johnson

      by Karl the Idiot on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 04:26:36 PM PST

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      •  I'm not immune to the irritation, either. (none)
        And, I'm sorry for my part in turning this into a flamefest. I'll try to restrain my vocabulary a bit more in future.

        It's a challenge to balance the signal to noise ratio, no question. I just don't think the answer is shutting newer voices down when they may be absolutely essential additions to the "choir" with a little drawing out.

        Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.-Thomas Jefferson
        We are the resistance.

        by boadicea on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 04:33:12 PM PST

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      •  With all the fighting (none)
        The issue has got burried deep, but I'd just like to add that extraneous comments can seriously slow down Kos for users of older computers, and people with dial up service. In all the ranting about how this diary author wants to restrict people's speech, maybe we could try to remember there are people who might not be so well served by one line comments that say essentially nothing.

        How much will you lose with Bush's Social Security plan? Click to find out.

        by Goldfish on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 04:34:03 PM PST

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        •  That's were some of the other programming (none)
          options for viewing come in.

          I went through various combinations before I settled on the most effective one for me.

          When there are 250-500 comments, that doesn't help much. Then again, I submit not much will at that level. And I don't think the percentage of feelgood responses is as high as all that. (Not all one liners are fluff, after all.) I'd have to see some quantitative analysis to accept that premise.

          And talk about a makework task-that would be a textbook case.

          Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.-Thomas Jefferson
          We are the resistance.

          by boadicea on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 04:47:21 PM PST

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      •  you should come to my diaries then... (4.00)
        ... no one is agreeing, everyone is like, "what the fuck... what did he --- huh?  where am I, how did I get here...?"

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