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  •  It isn't that simple (10+ / 0-)

    If the Tevatron had run for three more years, the large and robust neutrino physics program at Fermilab would have been badly affected.  So there would have been substantial opposition to continuing the Tevatron even if the money were there.  

    I personally lean towards continuing the Tevatron, but it isn't a slam dunk, since I know neutrino physics grad students whose theses would be delayed a year or two if it was continued.  

    Almost everyone agrees that neutrino physics is the long term future of the lab, and that the LHC will be blowing the Tevatron out of the water within a year or so (with the exception of a very few processes in which the Tevatron is better).   That is probably a more important reason for not continuing the Tevatron than money.

    •  My overall point however (6+ / 0-)

      is that all basic science funding research is on the chopping block.

      Meanwhile we hand out tax cuts for those who don't need them, and spend billions/trillions on wars that don't make us more secure.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 06:08:49 AM PDT

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      •  And we thought we were done with this nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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        Under Bush , science took a hit as well. We expected the fundamentalist, anti-science crowd to do this. We didn't expect this to happen  under Obama.

        Guess this is what happens "When You Give A Bully A Pulpit". There are too many bullies in this congress.

    •  Neutrinos (5+ / 0-)
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      I know someone involved in the Ice Cube neutrino observatory at the South Pole, funded by the NSF. I think the annual budget at the South Pole Station is on the order of $150 million. Anyway, I mentioned to him that I found it remarkable and encouraging that the government, even through the Bush years, spent that kind of money on neutrino research, which seems to have no practical benefit, only purely scientific and theoretical.

      He said it actually goes back to the cancellation of the Superconducting Super Collider back in the early 90s. It would have had three times the energy of the LHC. Funding for the neutrino work (called Amanda in a previous incarnation) was promised to the physics community in return for canceling the SSC, & so it remains in the budget.

    •  yes, the tevatron is not the LHC... (0+ / 0-)

      and as interesting as this is, the US will not have an Energy Frontier machine, and this phenomena is best pursued at CERN.  

      So we should get over it, and think of future science that can be done here in the US -- hanging on to the Tevatron is like hanging onto an old car too long. -- Is just not scientifically productive to do so.

      New accelerators cost billions.  It will be a struggle to build such a machine on a 100 million here and a 100 million there.  

      So, I think all we are learning is that we have just outsourced these kind of instruments and can look forward to a national lab closing, and our tax dollars going to support our scientists working overseas.

      Anyone check out the per-diem for Geneva Switzerland?

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