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  •  Doesn't Add Up (3+ / 0-)

    It's too easy to audit. They ought to do a hand recount in Waukesha. You can't fabricate 14,000 paper votes. Too difficult. The only way this turns out to be phony is if that county clerk is a psychotic crook. Maybe she is, but that's a pretty thin branch to crawl out on.

    I've been surprised before, but I can't imagine this one being phonied up.

    •  I certainly can imagine (4+ / 0-)
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      This entire union bust up plan has been about as crooked as it comes in politics. Koch and company can't afford to lose this battle and I believe they, along with their political puppets, are willing to do whatever it takes to make it work. I'm placing my bet on the county clerk being a psychotic crook or perhaps simply a key piece of puppetry.

    •  but they had two whole days nt (4+ / 0-)
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      •  Think of the Mechanics (2+ / 0-)
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        Two days to invent not just 14,000 votes, but all the precinct records to go with them. Because a hand recount will include matching that, too. And they'd have needed to be pulling off fraud on election day too, because that's when the paper ballots are run through the scanners.

        I'm not buying a mass-fraud explanation. I'm not God and don't know everything, but the logic works strongly against it, I think.

        •  But they also voted on (1+ / 0-)
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          electronic voting machines that had been sitting idle since 2006! So there are no ballots for these votes

        •  The Rovian Princes think of everything... (0+ / 0-)

          do not underestimate them.

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

          by Bluefin on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 08:12:55 PM PDT

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          •  Wow, They're Gods Among Men? eom (0+ / 0-)
            •  All you have to do is measure them by (0+ / 0-)

              their accomplishments (and the deficiencies of the Democrats).
              You seem not to remember that just over two years ago the Rescumlicans were dead in the water, on their way to becoming the 21st century equivalent of the Whigs.
              We could have delivered the 'coup de grâce' to them with effective leadership (not insipid "bipartisanship"), instead they have been given a chance to rebound, and they're coming back with a vengeance.

              How's it going nowadays?
              Right, we've been getting our asses kicked. And apparently naive tools like y'all aren't helping much.

              When Bushie was (technically) president, did they pay any attention to the Democrats? No, they made them hold meetings in dank basements and shoveled shit on them.

              "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

              by Bluefin on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 06:52:58 AM PDT

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        •  It would be pointless anyway (1+ / 0-)
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          I assume that people actually voted in Fairfield, a Republican stronghold I gather.  If "they" went to the trouble to manufacture 1400 fake ballots they would have to destroy the actual ones.  And the majority of the actual ones would have been for Prosser anyway.

          "YES WE CAN!." Barack Obama Update: Well, apparently we can't.

          by Time Waits for no Woman on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 10:42:28 PM PDT

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    •  Someone says above that the votes in question (2+ / 0-)
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      were electronic rather than paper ballots.  I don't know which is true, but it may be that this can't be done.

      Unplug the Koch machine! It's swallowing people's money!

      by Seneca Doane on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 08:13:24 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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        This is where I want some clarification.

      •  No. There are paper ballots (0+ / 0-)
        Waukesha County Executive Dan Vrakas, who sat in on Nickolaus' news conference, said voters can be confident in the results because "all the votes are in that office. If anyone wants to look at them and verify, they can."

        There is a comment in one of these diaries from Stephen Mading, a Wisconsinite, saying they have paper ballots there.

        "YES WE CAN!." Barack Obama Update: Well, apparently we can't.

        by Time Waits for no Woman on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 10:44:34 PM PDT

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        •  Let me pick this apart for you: (0+ / 0-)

          (1) "All the votes are in that office" can mean "a tally of all the votes from the different communities are in that office."  This statement is ambiguous.

          (2) In "They have paper ballots there," "there" may apply to Wisconsin, to Waukesha, to Brookfield, or to the particular precinct.  For these purposes, I care only about the last of these.

          Unplug the Koch machine! It's swallowing people's money!

          by Seneca Doane on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 12:59:48 AM PDT

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