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View Diary: 20,000 more votes than ballots (Waukesha, 2006) [updated-Tue] (272 comments)

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  •  Simple Arithmetic (16+ / 0-)

    Not questioning your numbers, yet it does seem incredible that five years later, someone has noticed that 20,000 more votes were cast than there were voters.  Does anyone in Wisconsin own a calculator?  Or more simply, does anyone on the Election Board in Wisconsin know simple arithmetic?

    •  Apparently the ballot numbers don't get reported (16+ / 0-)

      to the GAB or AP, as far as I understand it. Merely the vote totals. So the GAB and AP would only be reporting that Waukesha county cast 176k votes for Gov, 174k for AG, etc without the context of knowing that only 156k ballots were reported.

      There were 4 recounts in 2006, but for assembly districts 43, 47, 88, & 96, nothing in Waukesha.

      I think it's easier than you think to get away with these kinds of things when good people don't pay close enough attention at the time. But Wisconsin is on full alert now, we're becoming Shock Resistant as Naomi Klein would say.

      •  Is there some way to vote without a (1+ / 0-)
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        zhimbo

        "ballot"? I know that sounds like a stupid question, but I had to ask it.

        Another question: was that state election for AG challenged for a statewide recount, due to the close count, if you happen to know?

        •  IIRC, no electronic voting in WI. (3+ / 0-)
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          Shockwave, elwior, JVolvo

          Its paper + optical scan.

          "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

          by nosleep4u on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 05:39:24 AM PDT

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        •  depends on what you mean by a "ballot" :) (1+ / 0-)
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          DollyMadison

          When vote counts come from multiple sources, the EMS may contain "ballots cast" figures for some sources and not others.

          I am not an EMS, but I've been in that situation myself. If you ask New York counties to send election data, some will give you the number of "whole votes" in each ED, and some won't. Some report "blank, void, and scattering" votes; some report the three categories separately; some report "blank votes" and let you guess what they mean; some don't report any of it.

          In Wisconsin, municipalities largely control their own elections, so I wouldn't be shocked to see a vaguely nightmarish hodgepodge of reporting. Welcome to my life.

      •  No, AP & the newspapers get all the numbers (0+ / 0-)

        That's what news people do on election night. One or two reporters are assigned to the county courthouses to obtain the complete count. They don't go back to the newsroom to eat cold pizza without the full set of numbers, which they are also calling in as each update is released. And the people back on the desk are updating their columns of numbers with each phone call. I would strongly argue that a difference of 18-20,000 ballots would be noticed because the copyeditors know the numbers have to add up. They wouldn't let the reporters go home without having an accurate count. Their work lives would not be pleasant if they effed it up.

        If you go back and look at what was reported in the daily newspaper, the numbers just might add up. Remember the run date on this is 2008, two years after the election so we don't know what went down in 2006 based on just these numbers.

        To me, this looks a lot like official incompetence.

    •  there's little reason to believe it (3+ / 0-)
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      JFinNe, Nowhere Man, DollyMadison

      This looks like one stray number from an EMS. I don't know what county canvass procedures were in place in 2006, but certainly they should have detected any massive anomaly between the numbers of voters who signed in and the numbers of votes that were counted.

      If there is any other reason to believe that that one number is right and the canvass was totally wrong, I'd be happy to hear it.

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