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  •  Libya? Who careabout Libya aymore? (10+ / 0-)

    That was so last month. This month it's all Obama 2012!!! Woo hoo!!!
    Greenwald's article of these today:

    Barack Obama, March 28, 2011, explaining America's involvement in the war in Libya:

       

    Of course, there is no question that Libya -– and the world –- would be better off with Qaddafi out of power. I, along with many other world leaders, have embraced that goal, and will actively pursue it through non-military means. But broadening our military mission to include regime change would be a mistake.

    Barack Obama, David Cameron, Nicolas Sarkozy, joint Op-Ed, yesterday:

       

    The bombing continues until Gaddafi goes

        Our duty and our mandate under UN Security Council Resolution 1973 is to protect civilians, and we are doing that. It is not to remove Gaddafi by force. . . . However, so long as Gaddafi is in power, Nato and its coalition partners must maintain their operations so that civilians remain protected and the pressure on the regime builds. Then a genuine transition from dictatorship to an inclusive constitutional process can really begin, led by a new generation of leaders. For that transition to succeed, Colonel Gaddafi must go, and go for good

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    Glenn points out how sneaking imperialist "regime change" under the humanitarian umbrella of "protecting civilians" is not just political double-speak bullshit, it also violates Obama's stated parameters for the Libyan kinetic military action that he laid out to the American people in his Libya speech just last month. Bait and switch, anyone?

    •  Thanks, I hadn't seen GG's piece (5+ / 0-)

      but will definitely check it out.

      There was this, um, paradox at the center of this mission from the beginning.

    •  As for your first point, (4+ / 0-)

      It's a little depressing, the site's short attention span when it comes to issues, but that's just the way it is, and will always be. Plus issues will always take a back seat to politics. Why talk about war when we can talk about the President staged open mike "accident"?

      •  The thing that worries me (1+ / 0-)
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        Is the cheerleading squad. They seem to cheer anything Obama does. Commit to helping rebels, then when he loses interest they lose interest and cheer that. The loyalist core seems pretty amoral to me. ( btw this doesn't reflect on Obama himself, who appears to friendly to rebels consistently).

        Anyway...

         

        A Catholic, Jew, Muslim and Buddhist walk into Al Aqsa Mosque. Buddhist immediately exclaims: "excuse me I appear to be in the wrong joke."

        by Salo on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 12:26:45 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, you (1+ / 0-)
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          supported the intervention because you thought it was the right thing to do. I disagreed position but knew your position was sincere. Many people here supported it just because Obama did it, and now that things are deteriorating for the Libyans whom they purportedly cared about, not a peep.

        •  I think the 'rebels' (0+ / 0-)

          in Bahrain, Pakistan or Afghanistan or anyplace where our national interest and 'security' deems them insurgents or terrorists or unstable,  would not agree with his 'friendliness'. I imagine in this case this unholy threesome have their Chalabi all ready to install.  

          •  Here is my point. (0+ / 0-)

            It probably made no difference with ME policy if McCain or Obama won election. There is a general decision to repress Shiites - Bahrain, Saudi and Iranian.  Fair enough. Obama and McCain share that policy effectively.

            But I have good enough reasons to want Gaddafi gone. Lockerbie is enough of an excuse all by itself. Actively siding with rebels somewhere is also generally good too. Obama was too laid back in Egypt. Luckily Mubarak acted like a gentleman. With gaddafi Gone there will be free speech in Libya.  

            A Catholic, Jew, Muslim and Buddhist walk into Al Aqsa Mosque. Buddhist immediately exclaims: "excuse me I appear to be in the wrong joke."

            by Salo on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 01:30:00 PM PDT

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    •  I can make up my own mind about this one. (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama should do more.

      I'd be happy enough to see Cameron land a tank brigade and drive up the coastal road.

      A Catholic, Jew, Muslim and Buddhist walk into Al Aqsa Mosque. Buddhist immediately exclaims: "excuse me I appear to be in the wrong joke."

      by Salo on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 12:22:50 PM PDT

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