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  •  The French are different. (14+ / 0-)

    Their country fought one of its most divisive political batters over the issue of "secularity."  That is simply part of French history.  The French state does not permit symbols of religion (in any form) in many places where they would be normal in this country.  The burqua is a religious symbol.  

    We Americans are used to excusing all kinds of bigotry in the name of religion.  The French take a different view, and I certainly can't fault them on that score.

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 11:29:31 PM PDT

    •  Really? (7+ / 0-)

      sarkozy - lama

      The law has some interesting exceptions for "Religious" and "Traditional" events.

      And, apperently, exceutive privilege.

      Liberté, égalité, fraternité, provided you are a member of the right religions.

      I respect the principles of French law, but they have often failed to adhere to those priniples and it is very difficult to see how this law which is clearly aimed to supress the practice of one religion meet that standard.

      I suggest you read the law in it's entirety.

      The Kata Mr. Sarkozy is wearing is a Buddhist prayer scarf and a symbol of devotion and purity, just as a Burqa or simillar scarves and veils are in Islam and othter religions (including bridal veils).

      Not to mention the robe the Dali Lamma is wearing.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:35:54 AM PDT

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    •  except the French also have history of xenophobia (3+ / 0-)
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      Both France and Germany have long histories of antisemitism, in France ranging most recently from J'Accuse and the Dreyfuss Affair to French gendarmes and civilians assisting Gestapo in rounding up Jews for deportation.

      L' Academie francaise routinely scours the French language, ousting those words determined to be "foreign" in nature.

      Most recently, France has been pushing for deportation of Romanii as well as other groups that are outside the "pale".  RW politicians such as Le Pen are continuing to gain traction because of French fear of being engulfed by a tsunami of foreigners.

      The French certainly have a different view of the separation of state and church or the profane vs the profound but at the same time, it has to be noted that in this case, their view of the role of secularism is colored, if not fueled by their xenophobia.  In noting the law against burkhas, the exceptions to the law clearly targets burkhas while at the same time the exclusions as to places where burkhas may be worn makes the law tendentious and potentially unenforceable as burkhas may be worn in the workplace. Does this mean a woman with a job requiring her to be in public on the street, such as a delivery person may wear the burkha in public while the housewife standing beside her may not? Or does this mean a waitress may wear the burkha while her patron seated before her may not? What if the patron is a food critic and how is a policeman able to determine if a person is in his workplace to determine if the wearing of the burkha is legal?

      The problem is the law is unworkable unless it is admitted that an anti-Muslim sentiment is partially behind it  

      •  Hehehe. (2+ / 0-)
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        Good points. However, we are fighting in Afghanistan to supress the Burkah. The first war for fashion statements.  

        A Catholic, Jew, Muslim and Buddhist walk into Al Aqsa Mosque. Buddhist immediately exclaims: "excuse me I appear to be in the wrong joke."

        by Salo on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 07:22:08 AM PDT

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