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  •  Nope. Same cyclical nature as windpower. (3+ / 0-)
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    nancat357, Prognosticator, RosyFinch

    If you read the base article in the Airpower vs. Waterpower diary, you will find that it common cyclical nature of windpower and waterpower that caused the conflict.

    The waterpower proponents wanted to cut back the airpower to sell their seasonal product.  Letting the water spill without generating power was the problem.  In the spring melts and rains, they must release the water or lose it.  They would rather sell it but it is not needed as the windpower is also peaking and is replacing it.

    That is at the heart of the battle between windpower and waterpower in the Pacific NW.

    As a sidelight, one of the terrible environmental disasters of the waterpower dams was the destruction of the salmon.  If the dams simply spill the water in spring (vs. through the power turbines) it flushes the salmon smolts downriver and helps mitigate the environmental destruction of the dams.

    So windpower can replace the less sustainable natural gas and water power in the Pacific NW if the grid is redesigned to do it.  One of the plans is battery storage stations at local user levels to store the windpower. Only small storage is needed to have a huge evening out effect and make windpower the dominant and much more sustainable power source.

    •  In the East, they just turn the turbines off (0+ / 0-)

      and let the water flow.   In NY State, in particular, the sales are primarily local, as opposed to to the grid.  Wind power will never supplant hydro in the East, because rivers always flow, but the wind doesn't always blow.  

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      by SpamNunn on Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 04:49:05 PM PDT

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      •  Wind power, like natural gas, is where you find it (2+ / 0-)
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        miriam, ColoTim

        And it is as equally transportable and storable. Just takes a different tool kit in distribution and storage.

        Interestingling, windpower and natural gas deposits in US are in the same places, the central US from North Dakota to Texas.

        As for "In the East", NY is in the heart of "the East" and has 25 GW windpower potential. Oregon, heart of the NW, has 27 GW.  That is 25% of NY's total electrical need could be windpower supplies. Oregon has a 20 GW surplus. This is where national power grid comes into play in helping balance.  Oregon power moves to middle states. Middle states power moves East to NY.

        For good information on windpower potential in US, try

        Overall, using the highest potential windpower sites in the US could provide 20% of US electrical power. Eliminating ALL US oil use for power, about 5% of all US oil use and reducing need for fracturing for natural gas which is a much more environmentally damaging process as this diary notes.

      •  Let these frackers keep it up (0+ / 0-)

        until an earthquake changes the course of the river...

    •  They are installing large battery contingents (2+ / 0-)
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      BuzzLightyear235, ms badger

      here on Kauai to offset the night down time of solar power. They are being installed at the substations.

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