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  •  Thier values are not your values. (17+ / 0-)

    Their motivations have absolutely nothing to do with educating and supporting kids. Nothing. They've defunded and neglected the districts for decades, and suddenly, now, they're all about Education.

    Somebody smells money in this. Somebody else is probably a racist, classist prick venting his rage. Another guy is a free-market zealot/business-anarchist and wants to smash this symbol of socialism and welfare. They get together and its a whole new taste sensation.

    Nothing to do with kids. Nothing to do with changing the cycle of poverty. Nothing to do with providing opportunities for young people. THEY DON'T CARE.

    Once you get past the "But how could you DO that?" part of it, its easier to see what is going on.

    "YOPP!" --Horton Hears a Who

    by Reepicheep on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 04:12:32 PM PDT

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    •  You say the schools are underfunded. Please read (1+ / 0-)
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      the comment upstream by Wam Bam that included:

      In some cases, DPS schools spend double or triple the district's $7,500 per-pupil grant from the state. DPS, which has 141 schools, spends an average of $9,181 per student at underused buildings with full staffs.

      At Hutchinson, the cost is $9,564 per student. At Moses Field School, DPS spends $19,683 for each of the 163 students in a building that was meant to house 293. The school is slated to close in June.

      At some of the buildings being eyed by charter operators, the situation is worse. At Breithaupt Career and Technical Center, the district spends almost $1.4 million on each of three students in a building that can hold 616.

      At DPS' Barsamian Preparatory Center, where expelled students can continue high school classes, the building could accommodate 244 students but has just 53 and spends $35,636 per child.

      Does that sound like underfunding? So many school systems are top heavy in admin personal that money for the kids is transferred to the school systems main office. In some school districts the admin is a make work effort. That's just  not fair to the kids.

      Progressives will win when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

      by auapplemac on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 09:35:02 PM PDT

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      •  Please explain (3+ / 0-)

        So, how is  part of the solution to  this to close the very successful Catherine Ferguson school and a school for the deaf, neither of which is listed in your comment above?    

        Did Detroit suddenly become aware that it has too few teenage mothers?  Are the deaf and hearing impaired kids going to be mainstreamed?    Is the EFM in school himself in order to get a doctorate in education to go along with all that great financial advice?   Or, for all the I love  God folks, did Jesus change his mind and say that all really is okay, go right ahead and worship mammon?

        I await enlightenment, the more nitpicking and infighting the better. I learn best in a lively environment.

        •  You missed my point entirely. I think there should (1+ / 0-)
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          be a school for these girls...actually I think there should also be an institution for the guys who got them pregnant, but that's another story.

          Closing schools that do not have enough students is a good idea  as long as those kids have another school to go to.

          As for mainlining disabled kids, it's also a bad idea. It could cost even more to provide proper care and instructors for them in individual schools. Regular school teachers have not been trained to teach these kids.

          Progressives will win when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

          by auapplemac on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 12:43:14 AM PDT

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          •  No, I didnt miss your point (5+ / 0-)

            Your last comment was about how many schools are overfunded and underpopulated, and of course, how there's a lot of "make work" involved too.  See, I got those points.  It was in your NEXT comment, in response to mine, that you shared your thoughts on handicapped students, alternatives for schools that must close due to underpopulation, etc,  I got those points too. In my response I just pointed out that fixing problem B by hacking at School A, which is not broken, is not my opinion of a good idea. Or that mixing in school C, which is a specialized school, might not be cool either. I think in your second comment, your views were clearer as relates to this particular diary, which in one way or another, we've all strayed away from once or twice in our comments.  The good news (for me) is that we've done this because we're upset--both  because we still like education and also because we can read this move from the gov to the EFMs to which schools were first on the chopping block very clearly for the ominous signs which they are.  Okay?

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