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  •  I just hoped for once we had politicians who (5+ / 0-)

    just said fuck it all with political calculations and just did the right thing for all of the people of this country. Let chips fall where they may with elections. There are so many calculations out there on who and what might get the swing voters. I really would respect a politician who did that and I think they would get the votes.

    •  Well there is always (2+ / 0-)
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      Donald Trump.

       He seems to be ignoring all political calculations and just going after it big time. Must be why the GOP loves him. He takes such bold (ignorant) stands with No fear of the consequences.

      ~a little change goes a long way~

      by missliberties on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:28:14 AM PDT

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    •  There are always going to political calculations (1+ / 0-)
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      can I get it passed being a big one. Where is the American public on this issue? Is the next.

      To the first I would say based on the past congresses performance no. And we saw what happened to the DREAM Act.

      Next where is the American public? No where near were we need them to be.  With the economy in the toilet, unemployment high the very last thing they wanted to hear about was immigration reform.

      so yes maybe Obama broke this promise and maybe he needs to admit it, but he also needs to explain why. I am not sure proposing and fighting for reform and then losing miserably, as he would have, would have been smart or effective.

      In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

      by jsfox on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:29:25 AM PDT

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      •  Thank goodness Dr Martin Luther King, Jr, didn't (6+ / 0-)

        use the chance of polltical receptiveness as the criteria for his passion and action.

        BTW, I wonder how many are aware that not waiting for the approval of the majority to act, was the original essence of the original meaning of

        "the fierce urgency of now."

        Please read King's Letter From the Birmingham Prison to learn more of his thoughts about those blacks who wanted to wait in a more politically accomadating time to act.   He suggested he has more of a problem with their attitude than the blatant racists.  

        Dr King rejected the fierce hypocracy of political accomadation.

        We should to.

        Let's fight for what we know is right, and wait for the rest of society to catch up with us.   And they will, under the force of our moral suasion.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:39:40 AM PDT

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        •   But, Obama can't be (2+ / 0-)
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          an MLK as a sitting President. Like Van Jones said, we need someone on the outside organizing the movement and Pres. Obama can't always be out there on the frontlines. A dynamic like LBJ and MLK is needed and even with that LBJ used the horror of JFK's assassination to get some of those civil rights legislation through. Where are all the Dem/progressives pushing their agenda to the public? It seems like the only time they get on tv is when they are criticizing something the President or a Dem congressmen is doing. They are not pushing the narrative like Limbaugh/Beck or even Trump are doing, but instead constantly reacting to stuff that someone on the right says/does.

          "Don't bet against us" -President Barack Obama "Velma the Exhausted"-KayCeSF

          by moonpal on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:49:42 AM PDT

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          •  Organizing a movement (3+ / 0-)
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            Kind of like the movements I have participated in here in Indiana to oppose anti laber, anti-teacher laws.  Like what we are seeing in WI and OH.

            But:

            And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I will put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll will walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America. Because workers deserve to know that somebody is standing in their corner.

            Oh well.

            If Newt Gingrich were elected president, he would leave in the middle of his term for a younger, hotter country.

            by Indiana Bob on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 12:56:53 PM PDT

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          •  The fierce urgency of now, is not about (0+ / 0-)

            President Obama, I didn't even bring him up.

            It's about a strategic stance towards acheiving our progressive agenda.

            But, as long as you bring it up, yes, I do wish President Obama move closer to King, than he has for the last two and a half years.

            I could be widely successful with this posture.  Many of us voted for him in the hope he would be more like Dr King, in terms of the depth of his progressive vision, and his passion, and courage in expressing it.

            Today, he did it outstandingly well.

            It's about time.  

            But, a much appreciated support for our Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid recipients.  He knows how to do it.  And, he does it well.

            I was proud and happy to see him back on the trail today.

            And, back into his game.

            I'll grant he had a lot to deal with coming into office, and a lot to learn.

            Well, get there.  

            Real progress, always takes longer than we expect.  Even when we know it will.  

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Thu Apr 21, 2011 at 01:19:11 AM PDT

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        •  Just a blindlingly (4+ / 0-)

          poor analogy. And I don't have to read his letter I have read it many times. And he has a very valid point from his position as a non elected activist pushing for a singular goal.

          The President of the United States does not that bit of luxury to be singular focused on one issue and not to take the politics into consideration. You may not like that fact, but it remains a fact.

          And Dr. Kings efforts ultimately paid off. Why? It came about because he and others kept pushing until enough minds were changed in Congress and in the public sphere to make it happen. Not because he ignored the politics I would say because he worked the politics very very well to his advantage.

          So in the end it is not Obama that will make this happen it will be those that work to change the minds of Congress and the minds of the public. Those that have a laser like focus on this issue. Sitting back and waiting for any President to lead the charge is just sitting back and waiting.

          In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

          by jsfox on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:55:59 AM PDT

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          •  I am not calling out any specific politician (0+ / 0-)

            and am saying this in general. I know the politicians of this day and age have to play this game. I just wish it were different...

          •  You what grates on eyeballs, (4+ / 0-)

            the stunning low expectations people have for this president. I've never before seen a president who was simultaneously the best guy we've had in years but also impotent in the face of tough opposition.

            Sitting back and waiting for any President to lead the charge is just sitting back and waiting.

            This is probably the saddest statement about presidential leadership I've ever seen. Don't expect the president to lead???? lol It's astounding.

            Republican presidents certainly don't think this way. No matter how ridiculous or unpopular the idea is, they go out and make the case for it. But not us. We have to wait until everyone comes around.

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              you are the last person I would listen to on Presidential leadership, politics or in fact just about any damn subject.

              In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

              by jsfox on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 06:53:33 PM PDT

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