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  •  "I will close Guantanamo in 1 year" (5+ / 0-)

    That pony was sent to the glue factory a long time ago.

    •  Yeah, that was his hope and (3+ / 0-)
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      he still wants to close it, according to a recent interview, but reality got in the way. Reality of Republican propaganda of "not in my backyard" and veto proof majority votes removing funding for it.

      "Don't bet against us" -President Barack Obama "Velma the Exhausted"-KayCeSF

      by moonpal on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:56:20 AM PDT

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      •  Reality gets in the way of the excuses. (4+ / 0-)

        Obama doesn't have to run to Congress for funding to transfer a few hundred prisoners any more than he needs to run to Congress every time he wants to gas up Air Force One.

        And the one and only way for Republicans to stop Obama from transferring the prisoners out of Gitmo was by impeaching him - and what do you think the chances were of that happening while Democrats had a supermajoirty?  Because even if Congress passed a bill preventing the transfer of prisoners, Obama would have 10 days to sign the bill or veto it - and that's more than enough time to move a few hundred prisoners 100 miles to U.S. territory.

        Instead, Obama conveniently let Republicans take over the issue, and then conveniently signed a bill denying the use of funds to prisoner transfers.

        How convenient.

        Why didn't Obama veto the bill?  Probably because he had no intentions of really closing one of Bush's gulags, but simply moving it to Illinois:

        It is true that Congress -- with the overwhelming support of both parties -- has enacted several measures making it much more difficult, indeed impossible, to transfer Guantanamo detainees into the U.S. But long before that ever happened, Obama made clear that he wanted to continue the twin defining pillars of the Bush detention regime: namely, (1) indefinite, charge-free detention and (2) military commissions (for those lucky enough to be charged with something). Obama never had a plan for "closing Guantanamo" in any meaningful sense; the most he sought to do was to move it a few thousand miles north to Illinois, where its defining injustices would endure.

        "Pragmatists don't DO things! They explain to you how things CANNOT be done." - AndyS In Colorado

        by Uberbah on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 12:05:48 PM PDT

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    •  SO stealing that analogy (0+ / 0-)

      "Pragmatists don't DO things! They explain to you how things CANNOT be done." - AndyS In Colorado

      by Uberbah on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:57:04 AM PDT

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    •  He signed an executive order (4+ / 0-)

      Can't get any clearer than that.

      Congress blocked it.

      Pretty simple. Hate congress.

      •  Pretty simple indeed - he could have vetoed. (1+ / 0-)
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        He chose not to.  See my post above.

        "Pragmatists don't DO things! They explain to you how things CANNOT be done." - AndyS In Colorado

        by Uberbah on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 12:07:05 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, wait (4+ / 0-)
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          mk3872, Uberbah, Inland, Unit Zero

          Are we hating Obama this week, or just poutraged? I didn't attend the last meeting and my cell leader didn't let me know.

          "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

          by kovie on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 09:00:46 PM PDT

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        •  Veto'd the CR budget bill? (1+ / 0-)
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          Removing funding for closing Gitmo was attached to the budget bill

          •  Yes, veto. (0+ / 0-)

            He's made veto threats on F22 funding and increased congressional oversight of the CIA.  Obama is perfectly capable of wielding the veto pen when he chooses to do so.

            He chose not to do so on Gitmo.

            And again, Gitmo is 100 miles from U.S. territory.  Once the prisoners are transferred it's a moot point.  But why let facts get in the way of good Obamapologia?

            "Pragmatists don't DO things! They explain to you how things CANNOT be done." - AndyS In Colorado

            by Uberbah on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:18:45 PM PDT

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