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  •  They'll come anyway. (7+ / 0-)

    it's funny how any group that self moderates or sets standards for how they will and won't be treated within a diary are accused by trolls of creating an echo chamber. I see it in black kos and also RKBA.

    No we just don't wish to be abused.

    Yet they continue. They're like zombies. You can't kill em.

    We'll stick together and win in the end. TransAction will be a safe place to visit where sincere people can learn more by asking questions and others can support each other in the fight for equality. We will ban together and fight the trolls. And we will win.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

    by mdmslle on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 02:33:36 PM PDT

    •  In that case, perhaps we could post FAQs (7+ / 0-)

      covering the basics -- you know, gender identity /  sexual orientation etc. Then when the trolls mumble their bones we can direct them to the FAQs and say "go educate yourselves before posting here".

      There is an old leftist principle (for anyone who remembers such things) that it is not the obligation of oppressed people to educate their oppressors. I believe we should not surrender that principle, because if we do we wind up pleading for our right to live. And we should never do that for anyone.

      •  I think (5+ / 0-)

        that the discussion here would require some serious ooomph to get to the level of not educating the oppressor.  It is in many ways a perfect place for Oppressor Education (there's a group lol).  

        There are excellent resources already on the web.  There's also an issue of diverse perspectives within the the trans community over such hard to discern and complex issues as the color of the sky, the eitology of sky color, whether sky color is political or cultural or biological or all three, and indeed, whether the use of the word "blue" is a form of oppressive discourse.  Do we want a FAQ which gives people a nice, simplified concept of trans folks?  Or one which gives a genuine social history, a sense of how we really understand ourselves and talk about understanding ourselves?  Our community does not have a..cooperative...history.  

        I'd rather be an individual DK contributor and gadabout, not a "transsexual, please see the FAQ".  Or "a transsexual, please see the FAQ, but items seven through 12 do not apply to me."  Mileage varies.

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 03:54:14 PM PDT

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        •  Not educating the oppressor (5+ / 0-)
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          If that concept is alien to some people on dKos, those are exactly the people we don't want in a safe, supportive space.

          There are political trans community issues and dKos, as a famous progressive blog of the left, ought to be a good place to us to be able to discuss them... without having to "educate" str8t males whose main interest in the topic is where their willy might spend a night by accident.

          By all means, throw them a FAQ fill of links to web resources, and let them chew on that... if they truly want to be "educated".

          I'm not suggesting that a FAQ would have to delimit trans identities. Why would you assume that it would?

          •  Because... (5+ / 0-)

            ...we're already doing that.  For good, wholesome reasons, and as personal story.  Which is why I never confront it directly.  But every trans person who thinks asks existential questions.  Why us?  Why this?  Who are we?  Why am I not like all those other people?  An honest diary or telling of an individual story almost always has a context for who and what we are, the way the diarist understands it.

            The straight boys who want pure penises are just the latest round, of course :}  Really, anyone who has taken it on the chin from gender in their lives, and hasn't internalized it well or sanely, can go batty.  Gay men, feminists, other transpeople...  

            A FAQ of links makes perfect sense.  An explainatory faq seems perilous.  But that's just me.

            ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

            by jessical on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 04:17:02 PM PDT

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      •  I may not be obligated (5+ / 0-)

        to educate my oppressor, but I have to say I find I sometimes enjoy it.

        As for the diary: Is it possible instead that we could just have a policy of using the intro to identify whether a particular diary is a community diary or an oppressor-educating diary?

        •  It is worth trying, yes (5+ / 0-)
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          But I wonder whether trolls will bother to discriminate between diaries with and without the community flag.

          I just don't want to have to tell every gender-privileged homophobe who drops by that I am not obligated to educate him -- he is.


          •  Well... (4+ / 0-)
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            musing85, jessical, EdSF, Transactivist

            I actually think there's a better chance of getting them to stay out of clearly-identified community diaries than of getting them to stay out of all diaries with the TransAction tag. I think it's easier to understand that some trans-related diaries are safe spaces.

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