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  •  No, NOT "solitary confinement" (2+ / 0-)
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    VClib, erush1345

    Manning isn't and never was in solitary confinement. That's another lie that was repeated over and over.

    He's being held in maximum custody, which his attorney argues is "like" solitary confinement, while admitting he's "technically" not.

    Let's play did you know.

    Did you know Manning is allowed out of his cell for an hour a day? (many actually know this one)

    Did you know Manning is allowed visitors from friends and family?

    Did you know Manning has access to books, magazines and television?

    Did you know there are no brig rules about cross communication between cells on his block?

    My problem is when bloggers and editorials only write, "Manning is in solitary confinement" people picture him spending months in a hole with nothing and no access to people. I would have no problem if they would write, "Manning is in maximum custody - (include above facts) - but I think it's like solitary confinement because X, Y and Z.

    "The Green Bay Packers failed to score 8 times in the Super Bowl." -- Purity

    by USArmyParatrooper on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 03:48:44 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the clarification (1+ / 0-)
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      Diana in NoVa

      and other than the solitary confinement definition, I was aware of the rest of the conditions you listed.

      My biggest concern for him is sleep deprivation (disguised as overzealous suicide watch) and the removal of all clothing.  Those are two really serious problems that seem unwarranted.

      •  UGH..... (1+ / 0-)
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        erush1345

        WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP

        Explain to me the details of this so-called "sleep deprivation"

        "The Green Bay Packers failed to score 8 times in the Super Bowl." -- Purity

        by USArmyParatrooper on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 03:59:24 PM PDT

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        •  Under POI (1+ / 0-)
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          ColoTim
          The guards are required to check on PFC Manning every five minutes by asking him if he is okay. PFC Manning is required to respond in some affirmative manner. At night, if the guards cannot see PFC Manning clearly, because he has a blanket over his head or is curled up towards the wall, they will wake him in order to ensure he is okay.
           BBM

          Link

          IIRC, the reasons for placing him on POI were rather arbitrary.  

          More info on his detention at the link.

          •  Ah, yes. (2+ / 0-)
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            VClib, erush1345

            Notice I said "without looking it up" and you had to look it up. But yes, this is accurate. But you didn't embolden the important part.

            At night, (IF) the guards cannot see PFC Manning clearly, because he has a blanket over his head or is curled up towards the wall, they will wake him in order to ensure he is okay.

            That hardly warrants a "sleep depravation" charge, and it applies to everyone on POI. It's not something special for Manning.

            His underwear was taken only for a couple days AFTER he made a comment about hanging himself with his underwear. The details of that conversation we can only get from Manning himself, hardly and impartial observer. We also don't know what other mitigating circumstances are involved in his status because they brig is not allowed to say due to privacy issues.

            Do to privacy laws we have one, sole source of information. Manning and Manning's attorney.

            "The Green Bay Packers failed to score 8 times in the Super Bowl." -- Purity

            by USArmyParatrooper on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 05:01:15 PM PDT

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            •  We disagree (2+ / 0-)
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              IndieinVa, ColoTim

              and I looked it up so I would have real proof with which to counter your argument.  Yes, I already knew the sleep deprivation was part of the rule to wake him while he was sleeping, in addition to requiring him to respond verbally every 5 minutes.

              These restrictions go above and beyond what is necessary to observe a prisoner for their own safety.  Yes, they do contribute to sleep deprivation (who can control their sleep position all night?) and are more restrictive than those used in other US prisons.  

              •  Betty, you are right and Paratrooper is wrong (3+ / 0-)
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                Betty Pinson, IndieinVa, ColoTim

                Sleep deprivation IS a form of torture.  In fact, in the days when alleged "witches" were held in jail, sleep deprivation was called "gentle torture."

                "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

                by Diana in NoVa on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 05:20:08 PM PDT

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              •  WRONG WRONG WRONG (2+ / 0-)
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                VClib, erush1345

                At night he's only woken up IF... IF... the guards can't see him.

                I honestly don't know anyone who persistently sleeps with the covers completely over their head and face.

                in addition to requiring him to respond verbally every 5 minutes.

                It is NOT in addition to this. The every 5 minutes thing is during the day before lights out.

                "The Green Bay Packers failed to score 8 times in the Super Bowl." -- Purity

                by USArmyParatrooper on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 05:27:52 PM PDT

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