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  •  I think the difference here (3+ / 0-)
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    zedaker, zhimbo, mayim

    Is that your under the assumption - and you are of course entitled to that view - that public schooling is somehow an integral part of community. I disagree. It may be in some areas but in my experience, across wide swathes of the nation - it simply isn't. It's a place that children are required by law to attend until a certain age and it may provide them with a good education or a bad education.

    The key word here is integral. Public schools, and attendance at them, are part of the overall society. Is it an integral part? Yes. No. Maybe.

    Are you really arguing that children should be exposed to all parts of society and community and not restricted from any of them?  I think that's my overall point here. I don't agree that public schooling is a necessary part of the community. I don't agree that Party Cove at Lake Havasu is a necessary part of community either. It's part of it. Just not necessary.

    You remain, as always, entitled to your opinion.

    •  Public schooling is the first exposure (4+ / 0-)
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      outside their family / church / sports circle most youngsters have to people who don't live on their block. It's the first time kids from wealthy homes are exposed to kids from non-wealthy homes, and vice-versa. Privatization isn't just the descriptor for how the Right Wing wants to pay for schools (making them a for-profit enterprise monetarily rather than societally) -- it's what all homeschoolers do.

      They take away the element of being out in the public sphere.
      They also instil, intentionally or not, the idea that not being part of the public sphere is superior.

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      by BlackSheep1 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:02:55 AM PDT

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      •  Because (3+ / 0-)
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        It's the first time kids from wealthy homes are exposed to kids from non-wealthy homes, and vice-versa.

        we know how the well to do are so looking forward to their children's becoming acquainted with the children of those in an economic strata ( or of an ethnic descent ) that they've elected to ignore, disdain and/or loathe.

        Tune in tomorrow when we discuss the myth of massive resistance.

        Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

        by awesumtenor on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 11:26:27 AM PDT

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        •  It's class panic is what it is -- (1+ / 0-)
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          the fear that your children might not be able to live at the same class level as yourself.

          But our problems are collective, not individual, and trying to save ourselves by avoiding "mixing" only weakens us. What we need to be doing is organizing and engaging in acts of solidarity to rebuild the middle class for ALL our children. Our own and other people's too.

          And yes, public schooling is an act of solidarity.

    •  Public school is the bedrock of democracy. (5+ / 0-)

      The fact that "wide swathes" have turned their back on it is a real problem, not something to shrug your shoulders at.

      •  Interesting. (2+ / 0-)
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        I think education and knowledge are the bedrock of democracy.

        Are public- especially American - schools the best and most expedient instrument of that? Good question.

        As I've noted in other threads, I firmly support good, well directed public schools. It's important to society that we have that options and I believe it is instrumental in maintaining a free society.

        That being said, I'm mainly reacting against the knee jerk reaction that not having a child in the system is somehow a censoring, non-integrating thing to do. I'm rejecting the notion that public schools are a major or integral part of societal and cultural integration.

        •  Education and knowledge available to ALL (4+ / 0-)

          is the bedrock of democracy, i.e.  "the rule of the people." If the people are the rulers, shouldn't we have the best education possible? It's only common sense.

          What's not common sense is how "Liberals" can abandon public schools without suffering cognitive dissonance.

          •  Cognitive disonance (0+ / 0-)

            I would suffer some serious cognitive disonance if I let my children suffer abuse in our local public school while learning next to nothing, yet blissfully believing that I was doing the best I could for them.  Sure, work to support the public schools.  But don't feel you need to sacrifice your children in some sort of political jesture if it's not helping them.  Remember, they will be the ones who will bear the consequences of your dogma.  You don't have to go to jr high again.

      •  Choice is important (2+ / 0-)
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        Free public school as a CHOICE is a bedrock of democracy.  But parents MUST have the choice also to homeschool and/or choose a private school.

        FORCED public schooling would be the very antithesis of democracy, as parents would be forced to allow the state control over how their kids are educated.

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