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  •  public education has already destroyed itself (0+ / 0-)

    as a former public school teacher, i contend that most public schools in this country are little more than glorified day care centers that don't prepare kids for the world that awaits them.

    people with means have always been able to ameliorate this circumstance, either through the ability to pay for private school or the ability to purchase homes in areas with adequate public schools.

    why should we deny this ability to parents lacking such means?  i am 100 percent in favor of a voucher system and letting parents make the choice of where their child attends school.  public education needs competition and if in the process bad teachers, teachers unions, and poor schools get left behind, such is the price to be paid to properly educate our kids.

    public schools in this country have already destroyed themselves by failing to accomplish what they are intended to do.  why are people so worked up about plans and ideas to solve this problem?

    •  Please Provide More Info (4+ / 0-)
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      How long did you teach? When? Where? What kind of training did you have?

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      by bink on Thu Apr 21, 2011 at 10:04:33 AM PDT

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    •  Sounds like you have an AXE to grind! (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Republican nonsense. (7+ / 0-)

      "destroyed themselves"?

      Shame on you for this delusional right wing bullshit.

      For decades you and your fellow republicans have done everything in your power to undermine public education. Every aspect of the education system has been defunded/underfunded, and you don't just blame the heroes who are out there in the trenches doing their best with a criminal lack of resources, you jump straight to claiming that the public school model itself should be abandoned for a private for-profit system?

      public education needs competition and if in the process bad teachers, teachers unions, and poor schools get left behind, such is the price to be paid to properly educate our kids.

      Such horseshit.

      If it's true that you are a former teacher, i'm glad you left a system you don't believe in. I've often wondered why republicans seek public office when they don't believe in public service or government, but that's another discussion i suppose.

       I would regale you with shaming tales of what is expected of public school teachers - and what they are paid for it - but i rather suspect you aren't interested in facts.

      Schools need resources, and public education is about more than just test results (though test results - real tests of learning - are obviously critically important).

      Schools are community. Our schools are us - all of us - learning together in a safe, supportive, secular, inclusive environment.

      public schools in this country have already destroyed themselves by failing to accomplish what they are intended to do.

      Public education needs public support.

      Public education didn't fail us - We failed public education.

      The last thing this country needs is the Shock Doctrine approach to the education of our children advocated by the republican party and people like yourself.

      Money speaks for money, the devil for his own... Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?

      by LeftOverAmerica on Thu Apr 21, 2011 at 01:52:44 PM PDT

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      •  In my district, school boards and administrators (3+ / 0-)
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        compounded the problems caused by underfunding and by thoughtless, teacher-ignorant, student-ignorant diktats from above.

        From what I can tell, privatization and "charters" generally invite even worse administration, and for-profit schools invite the worst of all.  Obviously, there are exceptions.

        If you don't support public education, and specifically if you don't support administering it competently, you are just making the problem works.  And competently means by someone who knows the students and knows the teachers and knows the parents in that school.  (In that order.)  Administrators flown in from outside without local buy-in are a recipe for disaster, yet they've been the "solution" offered by so-called school "reformers" over and over and over.

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Thu Apr 21, 2011 at 03:22:06 PM PDT

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        •  testify, neroden. (0+ / 0-)

          Competent administration is critical, and many school districts suffer from the lack of it. Yet another aspect of underfunding, in that the best and brightest are often not interested in seeking positions that are all work and no pay.

           Despite the theoretical imaginings of those on the Right, privatization would would remove any practical chance the average citizen has of holding bad administrators accountable (often not an easy road even in the best of circumstances).

          The same basic arguments have been made again and again when it comes to transitioning a government service to the private market. Each and every time we've encountered a host of nightmarish developments that "no one could have predicted", and we've learned that any existing systemic problems don't go away - they just get more expensive.

          Money speaks for money, the devil for his own... Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?

          by LeftOverAmerica on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 01:29:05 PM PDT

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      •  Bravo! Thank you to you and to the diarist. (2+ / 0-)
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        As a science teacher, I had a budget of 5 dollars per student this year to provide ALL the materials for my science classroom.  

        $5 dollars. (And, I know there are many teachers in this country who get nothing.)

        Think about that.  Imagine running a science classroom with labs on a total daily budget of$1.38 a day for ALL materials ranging from glue to scissors, markers, paper, beakers, chemicals, slides ... We get to buy books every 7-10 years, and we only get "classroom sets," anymore.  Every child doesn't even have their own book in class either, since we've increased class sizes since we bought the current "classroom set."

        I'm just grateful that we used to have some money in the past, and we were able to buy microscopes and triple beam balances back then.  Lord knows what we're going to do when they need to be replaced...

        I spend over a thousand dollars every year out of my $475/ week take home pay doing my best to give my kids as many hands on labs as I can.  And THAT is not easy at all since my husband has been unemployed for 2 years.

        Thank you for your wonderfully supportive comment.

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        by bkamr on Thu Apr 21, 2011 at 07:53:53 PM PDT

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        •  Thank (0+ / 0-)

          you, bkamr.

          Thank you for all your hard work. Thank you for refusing to give up. Thank you for holding the line against all odds.

          You, and every teacher like you, are truly heroic. I don't understand how people can fail to appreciate the herculean challenges public school teachers face; nor am i able to grasp how they can miss what it says about the teachers that meet those challenges day after day, year in and year out.

          In what other profession do we find people so willing to use a significant percentage of their (criminally low, in most cases) take home pay to buy supplies for the betterment of others? All while under relentless attack from your own government (in the budgetary sense) and your own people (in the tea party [et al] sense).

          What you do isn't just noteworthy, bkamr - it is noble. The character and dedication inherent to your actions represent the very best of what this nation is capable of producing.

          Public school teachers are the foundation upon which the future of our country is built. We need to remember that fact before people like the OP fundamentally change (/debase) our national character.

          Bless you all.

          Money speaks for money, the devil for his own... Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?

          by LeftOverAmerica on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 07:47:20 PM PDT

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