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  •  and it will continue to go up (1+ / 0-)
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    truong son traveler

    Indeed, it will inevitably equalize itself with ours.

    That's the whole intent of globalization.

    •  It is not the "intent" of globalization. (4+ / 0-)

      This isn't being driven by people trying to eliminate poverty. This is being driven by the profit motive, and by the motive of we consumers to buy products that are cheaper and better. We want inexpensive products from China, thus Walmart exists. If China and Walmart didn't exist, we would still want inexpensive products, and there would be some other China and some other Walmart.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 04:36:40 PM PDT

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      •  it's not the direct intent (1+ / 0-)
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        The direct intent is to continually move to the lowest wages.

        But the effect of that is to equalize all the wages. And the corporados know that is a necessary consequence.

        •  You seem to blame them for this. (1+ / 0-)
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          But trying to produce products at a lower cost is their job. And it is what we, the global consumer, demands from them. This is not being driven by a bunch of evil people who are different from us. This is us; we may not see it as obvious, but this is us.

          I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

          by doc2 on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 05:33:53 PM PDT

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          •  not at all (3+ / 0-)

            The problem is inherent in the social structure itself, not in the motives of the people who live in it. The problem is NOT that business people are greedy selfish bastards (though of course most ARE since the system rewards those who are greedy and selfish). The problem is that those who are NOT greedy and selfish lose out in competition to those who are, and therefore the effect of the system's structure is to drag everybody down to the lowest common level whether they like it or not.  If we replaced all the economic managers and owners tomorrow with clones of Mother Theresa or the Dalai Lama, within weeks they'd all be acting the same as before. They have no choice. The very structure of the economic system--the very set of rewards and penalties it imposes--makes everyone evil whether they want to be or not.

            That is the true tragedy of that social system.  It removes the humanity even of the people who benefit most from it.

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