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  •  Incoherent comment. (2+ / 0-)
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    lams712, FiredUpInCA

    Someone claimed Obama ran to the right of Hillary Clinton? In what way, I wonder?

    He ran and governs to the left of Hillary Clinton on foreign policy.

    He was much further to her left in terms of AfPak and Israel-Palestine. It may be forgotten now and of no note to many, but in 2009-2010 Obama was actually trying to get around the Israeli war machine and Netanyahu.

    Since many commentators refuse to even acknowledge this reality, which has been widely documented in a number of traditional media and blog sites (Clinton wouldn't have bothered with the trouble) some people here refuse to believe so.

    I'd chalk your commentator as one of many outliers, diverse in opinion but equally all over the map and resistant to new information.

    I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

    by Nulwee on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 09:38:15 PM PDT

    •  Whether he ran to the left or right or up or down (11+ / 0-)

      of Hillary is not the thrust of this diary.  The bit about Hillary is an opener.  The main point is he ran as a progressive and hasn't governed as one.  Indeed, much the opposite.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 09:50:07 PM PDT

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      •  Really? Can't see the relevance of my comment? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm positing that the truth is diametrically opposed to the commentator you named.

        You got 5 recs for the emotional interpretation you gave, (another reduction into yay or nay Obama) not the factual interpretation.

        I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

        by Nulwee on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 11:24:24 PM PDT

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        •  Oops, sorry, not you but rather the diarist (0+ / 0-)

          I notice that many recommends are given to the person who has a good answer, with hardly any given to the person who asks the right question. That is backwards to me; without that question, the good answer might never have come.

          by Nulwee on Sun Apr 24, 2011 at 11:24:58 PM PDT

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      •  Ya think?! (0+ / 0-)
        That Obama would suddenly resurrect this theme only days after the launch of his re-election campaign  was seen as a positive sign by many, including some who have been highly critical of the president in the past. I believe, in the context of his presidency, it should be taken with a great degree of skepticism.

        We're gonna get more and more of this as the election approaches. And more and more former skeptics are gonna say, "Hmmm... well I guess he's finally come to his senses. I guess I might work to help get him re-elected after all." And as soon as he IS re-elected? Whoosh!... he'll head back to the right before we know what's hit us. People are welcome to "forgive and forget" and start to HOPE again if they want, of course... but I don't think I'll join you. Or... maybe... maybe if someone could tell me why I should TRUST Obama... maybe if you can convincingly do that?...

        "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

        by ratmach on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 04:24:22 PM PDT

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