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  •  Regarding prop 13 (0+ / 0-)

    At the time it was passed, many corporations agreed they should not have been included.
    The worst part is all county property taxes are sent to the state and when times are tough we lose control where our money is spent. Since we are required 2/3 vote to raise taxes, which makes it almost impossible, even at the county level.

    This may be crazy, but why do retirees pay any property taxes?

    •  What does one thing have to do with the other? (0+ / 0-)

      If you own taxable property, why wouldn't you pay property taxes?  And being retired doesn't at all correlate with being poor--if anything it's just the opposite.

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      by Rich in PA on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 05:51:22 PM PDT

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      •  It was the fixed-income thing... (2+ / 0-)
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        Cali Scribe, Glen The Plumber

        I remember when Prop 13 was passed; the pro-13 campaign had a number of talking-points. The main thing, of course, was a generalized Republican/right-wing aversion to taxes: but there was also the constant storyline of the plight of impecunious seniors living on restricted retirement incomes (and no, Rich - all retirees aren't affluent!) being squeezed by "spiraling" tax bills on their (generally) modest homes, due to value-inflation caused by a mid-70s housing boom/shortage. Of course, it didn't help that the CA GOP who helped spearhead Prop 13 were, then as now, a gang of vicious sociopathic troglodytes whose mindset had frozen in about 1928. A lot of it was BS, of course: but the opportunity to freeze one's own taxes via the ballot box was just too attractive.

      •  For many seniors (1+ / 0-)
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        the majority of their "estate" is in their family home; take that away, make them sell that, and what fixed income they have (from Social Security, pensions, and the like) will get drained in paying rent. That's where the threatened cuts in the social safety net are really going to hurt a lot of the younger Baby Boomers and the like; there are a good many of us who've never been able to afford a home and thus don't have that to fall back upon.

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        by Cali Scribe on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 06:36:46 PM PDT

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      •  No it doesn't but, (0+ / 0-)

        why not exclude the first $500k, which would save retirees $7500 a year in CA. Increase the inheritance tax and we could get back what they don't use after they pass.

        I also support 4 day work weeks and heath care for all.

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