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  •  Here is an example of distress without disease (1+ / 0-)
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    AaronInSanDiego

    Birth can certainly cause distress, but it is hardly maladaptive and it is not a "disease", even if it causes dis/ease.

    Birth is natural, but there is certainly no reason why humans should not take steps to relieve or reduce the distress it causes. No one today -- outside the most extreme religious groups -- thinks that Nature or God requires women to experience the maximum pain during childbirth if it can be lessened.

    Transition is similar. We may have distress, but it is not a "disease".  Using technology to relieve our stress is not somehow prohibited by Nature. And it is not a symptom of mental illness.

    I know that cisgender men are really, really spooked by SRS. "You want to cut off what? You must be crazy." From there they go on to invent all sorts of pseudoscientific rationalization for why such people need to be controlled.

    But the decision isn't up to them. It's not their body, and by their own admission they cannot begin to understand our motivations.

    Fine. We are not asking you to understand. We are asking -- or perhaps now telling -- to get the f*ck out of our faces. We will make these decisions for ourselves. We don't need your approval or understanding. It's our right to make these decisions and not to discriminated against for doing so, because they do you no harm. You have no "standing" in the matter.

    •  OK, thanks for that good example. (0+ / 0-)

      So the question for me is, where and on what basis do we draw the lines around diseases, illnesses, or disorders (which are not necessarily all the same thing.) I can see your analogy between pregnancy and transition. I think many people are concerned with the idea of transition because it doesn't seem to be a process which is easily reversible. So if a person is suffering from some mental disorder they may seek out transition and regret it later. But the likelihood of this may be very small, and the same thing could be said about many other medical procedures.

      I am not spooked by SRS, and I realize that it isn't up to me. I have no desire to control anyone. I know that you are not asking me to understand. I am seeking to understand more anyway, even though I know that there is a limit to that understanding. I'm not trying to cause any aggravation, or get in the way of anything. I think it is natural that I am concerned about issues which are closer to home for me, such as the stigmatization of mental illness. What I want is for the concept of mental illness to be looked at objectively without moral judgment.

      •  Many people are concerned with transition (0+ / 0-)

        Oh, tell me about it. I only lost a human lifetime because of that tender "concern".

        Suicide is also irreversible. How many more of us have to kill ourselves before cisgender males stop trying to "save" from us from doing something that gives them the creeps?

        I predict that no number of suicides of trans people would ever make you comfortable with SRS.

        Therefore this is a purely political issue, exactly like abortion rights. We will simply work to take our rights regardless of whether cisgender males like it (and it is usually the cisgender males who are ultra-creeped-out)

        •  Abortion rights is a political issue, but (0+ / 0-)

          abortion itself is a medical issue. That point aside, are the high rates of suicide caused by the inability to have SRS, or as a result of being abused and tormented by others, or both? Dealing with suicide and trauma should be of primary concern, of course.

          Anyway, I personally have no more discomfort with the idea of SRS than any other procedure which alters the body. I am currently recovering from a total hip replacement, and even though that is a pretty straightforward procedure which has a high potential of greatly improving my life, it's not something I easily jumped into. I would think the same would be true for most people undergoing any kind of surgery, including SRS. These aren't things a person jumps into willy-nilly. However, I did need a diagnosis to proceed with my surgery. Whether that should be the case for SRS, I don't know. Should I care, given that it has no impact on me? No, not really. My initial concern with this diary had more to do with the attitude about psychology, although I am interested in the general subject matter.

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