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  •  I'm not looking for an apology (0+ / 0-)

    I just wandered into a donut toss and had to try to figure out what to do about it.

    The exception to the normal troll rating golden rule of "rate the comment, not who makes it" is for people so disruptive to the community that they need to be quickly autobanned. This is a very difficult threshold to reach, and is reserved almost entirely for freepers or other trolls here only to disrupt. "Troll rate on sight" is not intended to be used against anyone but the most obvious and egregious of trolls -- if your definition of obvious and egregious is not the definition used by the rest of the community or by the site administrators, expect your rating ability to be suspended.

    Under site policy at this time, volfied's prodigious HR record apparently doesn't even qualify for revocation of TU status, much less for autobanning. Does that make sense to me? not so much, no. But, for me, it's a pretty strong argument against applying "obvious and egregious" here. I don't see an emergency.
    •  I understand. (1+ / 0-)
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      It's a judgment call.

      For me, 260+ HRs in less than 4 months, plus the bragging about having been here before, plus having "day one" knowledge of other kossacks and the ratings system equals zombie troll. I'm not the only one who thinks so, just the only one here right now.

      If site policy has changed to the point that what would have been a zombie troll is now a legit TU who isn't gaming the system to stay undead, then I am wrong.

      I respect your decision to give the benefit of the doubt, as I have done so many times in the past - with this particular zombie being an example.

      The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there. - Yasutani Roshi

      by lotusmaglite on Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 09:39:36 AM PDT

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      •  I think it's good to discuss such matters (1+ / 0-)
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        It's certainly a drag to discuss whether individual posters are zombies or not -- but if it's going to be (almost) all "community moderation" all the time, I don't know what else to do. Some posters just specialize in being Edge Cases from Hell.

        •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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          If the onus of moderation is on the community, then we must discuss if we're going to have anything but an anarchic free-for-all.

          It's especially important in the Edge Cases from Hell (well said), since some are simply cases of somewhat misanthropic people who rub others the wrong way. I know a few of those, and they collect their share of HRs, shrug, and move on. Being less than diplomatic doesn't necessarily make one a troll, IMHO.

          There are a number of things that will move me from thinking, "That was an ill-advised remark; someone is having a bad day" to thinking "Troll, troll, troll-ey troll troll". The first and foremost is a pattern of behavior. A handful of HRed comments spread out over a long time is no big deal to me. When it becomes a large number, OTOH...
          Or tight groups of HRs followed by a quiet period, followed by another tight grouping of HRs. This - to me - sets off "gaming" alarms.
          All of this doesn't count the pie war diaries, wherein lots of HRs are thrown around that say more about the thrower than the recipient.

          I've been here for quite a while now, and up until DK4 - with it's various calculation issues and emphasis on community moderation - I threw maybe 3 or 4 donuts in all that time. Since the switch, I've had several occasions to unload the whole quiver in a matter of hours.

          That - again, to me - would suggest the need to keep talking about what parameters and metrics are being used for moderation.

          The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there. - Yasutani Roshi

          by lotusmaglite on Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 10:51:53 AM PDT

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