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  •  50 years not 200 (2+ / 0-)
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    mdmslle, The Geogre

    defense budget in latter half of the 30s was about 1-2 billion, even in todays dollars that is paltry. truman regretted creating the cia, eisenhower warned, kennedy said he would bust up the cia. thats when it spun out of control and yes, obama represents no change.

    •  ok 50 years in a country that is 200 yrs old (0+ / 0-)

      fully 1/4 of our existence.

      I guess y point is  that i don't believe it matters a rats ass which party is in power. this is not going to revere itself anytime soon for 99.9999% of reasons. And in the very off chance (that .00001%) that some sort of mass awakening occurs and there's a mass french-style revolution, IMO we're about 50/50 that it goes left and 50/50 that it goes right.  scary odds. worse than the middle east gamble happening right now...I've no idea whether this country would end up as a total fascist dictatorship (right) or whether we'd go the total socialist route (left) but I have my ideas on it.

      i guess i'm saying that for me getting worked up about the mixing of military and civilian and the expansion of the military state is a waste of outrage. nobody is going to be able to do anything about it. No one has for 50+ years. Why now?  JMO.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

      by mdmslle on Sun May 01, 2011 at 07:23:44 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, I think you're not quite right. (0+ / 0-)
        this is not going to revere itself anytime soon for 99.9999% of reasons.

        Nah.  The utter failure of our elites to deal with pressing crises -- most importantly global warming, but also the collapse of most of the economy -- is almost guaranteed to create some sort of massive revolution to overthrow the INCOMPETENT.  Not that I want a revolution, but every year we have government by those unable or unwilling to deal with the problems, every year people get more disaffected, every year it gets more likely.  A massive party realignment seems our best chance to avoid an outright revolution, and even that may happen too late to avoid it, thanks to our sclerotic political system.
        And in the very off chance (that .00001%) that some sort of mass awakening occurs and there's a mass french-style revolution, IMO we're about 50/50 that it goes left and 50/50 that it goes right.

        Unfortunately, here you're probably optimistic.  :-P

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Sun May 01, 2011 at 11:41:52 PM PDT

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