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  •  I don't give a shit what their reason is, its (1+ / 0-)
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    hopeful human

    ignorant to interrupt someone while speaking, whether that person is someone you agree with or disagree with.

    As far as your questions, the answer is I don't have a problem with either one, and either does 99.999999 percent of the American Public including voters.

    You want to manufacture outrage, go ahead, but no one but FDL a few of ignorant assholes that like to make fools of themselves gives a shit about this Manning non issue.

    If Manning didn't want to be subject to military justice system, he shouldn't have joined the military. If he didn't want to he in the military justice system, he should not have committed the acts that have subjected him to that system.  I have no sympathy for Mr. Manning and in fact I have deep disregard for what it is alleged he has done.

    •  Were you singing this tune when Bush was Prez? (2+ / 0-)
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      If so, I don't know what you were doing on DK.  This sounds like Red State mentality to me.

    •  well, gee, if FDL and "ignorant assholes" (4+ / 0-)

      are the only ones who give a shit about this issue -- then would you care to explain why the Pentagon decided to move Manning from a maximum security setting to a medium security setting?  The NYT says that the decision was based in large part due to national and international pressure.

      So, do you think the Pentagon (and by extension, the White House) are "ignorant assholes" for relenting to that pressure?  How about that group of 250+ law professors and legal scholars who signed onto a letter denouncing Manning's treatment?

      •  If you want to believe this type of behavior (2+ / 0-)
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        has resulted in Manning being moved to a different facility, you are entitled to your beliefs.

        Personally, I don't share those beliefs.

        As far as law professors signing letters re the case, I believe that is an acceptable form of protest and a worthy effort. As a practicing lawyer I have sworn an oath to protect the US and State Constitutions in which I practice. I find nothing in the handling of Mr. Manning that concerns me, although I am not an expert in Military law, nor have I seen any evidence of constitutional violations, only the screaming of a bunch of fools who take pleasure in trying to manufacture outrage about our current President.

        Hecklers are ignorant assholes. If you support that type of behavior, bully for you.

      •  Why Manning was moved? (1+ / 0-)
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        Fogiv

        Almost certainly because the mental health examination was completed and he was found to be incompetent to stand trial, and so he's now been moved to a more appropriate place for treatment.

        The trial was supposed to start next month - now it's been put off indefinitely. That's almost certainly a result of him needing ongoing mental health care.

        And that's an ongoing pattern for him that predates his detainment. He was a problematic child, and he was a problem at Fort Drum, and he was a problem when he was in Iraq before they knew he'd leaked documents. Heck, they took the bolt from his rifle in a war zone, for cripes sake, because they were so concerned about his behavior! He threatened suicide twice in the first few weeks of his detainment.

        The guy has issues that aren't due to his detainment.

        The people objecting to his treatment have been misled about his actual treatment, and have been railing against treatment he hasn't actually been facing. He was never stripped in a vindictive, punitive way. He was never in solitary confinement. He was never forced to exercise solely in a room, and denied access to the outdoors - that was his choice! He was never without bed coverings. He was not forced to stand at his cell doorway naked - that, again, was his choice, and when the military saw him do that, they ensured that he had clothing to wear to prevent him from pretending again that he was being forced to stand naked in his cell's doorway.

    •  and aren't you now admitting (0+ / 0-)

      that if 99.999999% of the American public doesn't care about Bradley Manning, that the Pentagon and White House caved to 0.000001% of the American public?  Why move Manning from Quantico to Ft. Leavenworth out of concern for embarrassment to the White House if only 0.000001% care?  Seems pretty weak, don't you think?

    •  You appear conflicted. (1+ / 0-)
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      Nada Lemming

      You imply that he "committed the acts" and that "it is alleged." I'm confused, and quite frightened, by what rule of law you wish it was that held sway in this country.

      •  Why is there a double standard? (1+ / 0-)
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        Fogiv

        Nobody objects when Manning's supporters call him a "hero" for leaking 250,000 classified documents.

        By your standard, shouldn't they be calling him an "alleged" hero?

        "The Green Bay Packers failed to score 8 times in the Super Bowl." -- Purity

        by USArmyParatrooper on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 05:15:02 PM PDT

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    •  So it was ignorant (0+ / 0-)

      to interrupt Sarah Palin's speech to the teabaggers in WI?  Or is it just ignorant to interrupt the baby jesus?   For any reason? ?

      I think POTUS needs to get interrupted a lot more.  Maybe it'll wake his ass up.  

      Republicans definitely want to screw me. Democrats also want to screw me, but slower.

      by Nada Lemming on Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 10:50:26 PM PDT

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