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  •  So what was in your mind when (2+ / 0-)
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    john07801, kyril

    you "saw that she was a young, female blonde officer", and decided to ask her to "talk about this" ?

    Because in that sentence you have linked her age, gender and physical appearance to your decision to ask her to "talk".

                       To be clear,
                       Heather

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.

    by Chacounne on Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 09:24:06 PM PDT

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    •  I wanted to discuss the issue of whether or not (0+ / 0-)

      it is acceptable to stop and then go when it's clear.  Just as the pedestrians do on their own "lane", the sidewalk.  

      •  But you made that decision (1+ / 0-)
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        kyril

        because she was "young, female, and blonde", according to what you said in that sentence. That is extremely sexist.

                         To be clear,
                          Heather

        Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.

        by Chacounne on Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 10:00:24 PM PDT

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        •  extremely? (0+ / 0-)

          What would you call someone that "promotes" his secretary, regularly?  Maybe gives her a nice state job.

          •  Yes, extremely. (2+ / 0-)
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            Historicus, kyril

            She was a police officer doing her job, and your first thought was about her appearance, and thinking you can take advantage of her because of it.

            I would also call that person extremely sexist, because apprently he doesn't believe his secretary has the talent and ability to get her own job.

                                 To be clear,
                                   Heather

            Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.

            by Chacounne on Sat Apr 30, 2011 at 10:39:37 PM PDT

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            •  that's what I would expect from a crowd (0+ / 0-)

              that thinks a bike is the same as a car.

              •  What does the law say? (3+ / 0-)
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                delver rootnose, kyril, skohayes

                Unless your state law varies greatly from most, a bicycle is a vehicle with most of the same requirements in traffic as other vehicles (with a few variations because of their size). In both Michigan and Oregon (where we have separate bike lanes), this is true.  You even admit that the officer was in the right.  If you disagree with those traffic laws, work to change them, but do not pretend that they don't apply to you.

                And yes, you were being sexist, or at least have written this account in an overtly sexist manner.  Would you have said to a gruff, older male officer "hey, let's talk about this?"  The way you put the sentence suggests your actions were sexist, whether or not you were conscious of it.  The existence of other, more egregiously sexist acts out there (though maybe the secretary is, in fact, a good secretary?) does not nullify one's own sexism.  A female officer of smaller stature must deal with an inordinate amount of that, and honestly, her patience sounds admirable.

                •  several points (0+ / 0-)

                  First, I making the statement that the law should be changed to reflect reality.  So posting the current laws really isn't helpful (like I don't know them!)

                  Second, the sexism discussion was related to the word "extreme".

                  Third, I used the failure to discern different levels of sexism discussed as a problem in fact very similar to the one at hand, ie that bikes and cars are the same.

                  Now, I'm thinking that this may be due to some mass psychosis, due to so many people that die from cars each year, they have this deep seated desire to point elsewhere so as not to look.  Interesting.

      •  but on a bicycle you are not... (1+ / 0-)
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        skohayes

        ...a pedestrian and have no more rights than the cars next to you.

        We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

        by delver rootnose on Sun May 01, 2011 at 01:10:47 AM PDT

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        •  that's not entirely true. (0+ / 0-)

          I can think of instances where I ride next to cars, but in my own lane, and have different rights.  One of course is crossing the bridge, I can stop.  Cars are not allowed to.

          Going through the presidio the cars have a very large traffic calming bump added to their lane, the bike lane has no such bump.  Want to take a guess why?

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