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  •  According to the NY Times... (2+ / 0-)
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    Sneelock, hanswall

    .... there were military and intelligence personnel on this mission, there were four helicopters, and the firefight was over in 40 minutes.  

    The firefight being over in 40 minutes is not the same thing as the entire operation being over in 40 minutes.

    And intel personnel onboard means that they had the specific task of sweeping through those rooms and picking up anything with information on it.  

    Sheesh, I should do an update of the diary or something, to put this "not enough time" stuff to rest.

    •  79 people and one dog (2+ / 0-)
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      G2geek, princesspat

      And they weren't all Navy Seals.

      They got it and they knew what to grab, Firefight was brief and only in the beginning. Time at the compound was ample for experienced Intel to find and pick up what they needed to grab and they did it quickly.

      To add support G2geek to what you've said, these were not inexperienced people by a long shot. They knew what they were doing.

      Smart people know what they don't know -8.50, -6.92

      by ferallike on Mon May 02, 2011 at 11:50:53 PM PDT

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      •  wow, that was large. (3+ / 0-)
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        princesspat, ferallike, Lisa Lockwood

        I was imagining something like two dozen people going in there.  With 79 people and a dog (no doubt trained to sniff out items of interest), they could have spread people out across the compound, each person having a small defined area to search for goodies.

        Re. "not inexperienced," for an op like this with a target like this, nothing but the best will do.  

        Now, per Politico, we have a few prisoners and a bunch of captured computers and storage media.  I've studied AQ's crypto (last year) and concluded they're "less than competent" in that department, so there should be few obstacles to reading everything on those storage media.  

        Here's where things get interesting:

        The diplomatic game.  

        The stuff on the captured media will no doubt include plenty of details that will enable determining if Pak gov was actively in cahoots with UBL or was merely corrupt and incompetent.  Either way does not look good for them.  Right now they have so much egg on their faces they could make omelets.  Their apparent silence after the event speaks volumes.  

        So I envision CIA sending a report to HRC, who in turn will have a great time applying torque to Pak gov.  I would not be surprised to see a regime change come out of this, including the new regime renouncing its nuclear weapons and turning them over to international inspectors for disposal.  Heck, let's be optimistic and envision HRC being able to get the new regime to sit down and make peace with India.

        All of this guarantees an Obama landslide in 2012 as long as no other major disasters occur between now and then.  Our job is to help get more Ds in Congress.

        The future just started looking brighter.  

        •  They had 4 choppers 2 going in (2+ / 0-)
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          with 2 on stand by and thank God they had those standby when one of the choppers crashed. So 79 wasn't an unreasonable number if they were to make sure that there was backup in the event the 1st team got trapped or worse.

          But here's where I got the 79 people and 1 dog.
          Obama Calls World ‘Safer’ After Pakistan Raid

          The tensest moment for those watching, he said, came when one of two helicopters that flew the American troops into the compound broke down, stalling as it flew over the 18-foot wall of the compound and prepared to land. After the raid, the team blew up the helicopter and called in one of two backups. In all, 79 commandos and a dog were involved.

          HUbby says there was a huge party in the CIA auditorium yesterday with a lot of people crying for joy. He had to sit down himself when he was over come with realizing what had actually  happened cuz he started sobbing.  Maybe now the CIA can be vindicated for being blamed for the so called faulty aka cherry picked Intel on Iraq. (They still need to get rid of more of the crappy contractors aka Xe etc.)

          Panetta ran this OP out of Langley with JSOC. I've seen rumors that the jackass, "Ayn" Rand Paul, was planning on putting a hold on his Senate Confirmation for Sec of Defense. God help him if he does.

          And as for

          The future just started looking brighter
          I was on the verge of asking you to call me again for a repeat of the reality check call you gave me last time. I was starting to get really down again. The perils of being a Dem and pragmatic are a real bitch, I say.

          Smart people know what they don't know -8.50, -6.92

          by ferallike on Tue May 03, 2011 at 12:21:50 PM PDT

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          •  must have been the party of the decade. (2+ / 0-)
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            ferallike, Lisa Lockwood

            And we all know what happened with Iraq: Bush installed another layer of political appointees who had no experience, and they went cherry-picking and second-guessing.  The lesson there is that politics cannot be allowed to interfere with intel or defense any more than with the obvious physical sciences.  

            We can deal with the nay-sayers now: "dude, would you rather OBL was still running around?"

            No one is going to dare block Panetta for SecDef.  Not after this.  Any secret hold would not remain secret for long, and whoever placed it would be o-u-t next November.  

            And all the "shut down the gov" talk is going to evaporate like a puddle in a heat wave.  The word for it is petty.  Republicans were being ultimately petty while the President was engaged in vital natsec issues, same as when they were trying to impeach Clinton while Clinton was attempting to take out OBL with a missile strike.

            The only mistake Clinton made on that one was to inform Pakistan in advance about the overflights, whereupon AQ spies in the Pak gov informed OBL, who got outta' harm's way just in the nick of time.  Obama didn't repeat that mistake, with the results we now see.  (No doubt in my mind that if he'd informed the Pak Gov in advance, our teams would have arrived on site to find an empty house.)

            And let's not forget the Rs blocking then-Senator Gore's bill to require strengthened airliner cockpit doors, which would have prevented AQ from getting into those cockpits.  

            Each time, Republican petty bullshit has harmed national security.  We should rub their noses in that until it comes out their ears in curlycues.  

            Re. reality check & being down: methinks there's plenty to be up up up about right now.  Reality proved to be its own best check.  And with all the goodies that were scooped up along with OBL, it's only a matter of time until AQ is nothing more than a worn-out brand of fish food.  

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              Each time, Republican petty bullshit has harmed national security.  We should rub their noses in that until it comes out their ears in curlycues.  

              Yep. Every day, in every way possible. But to do so, we have to have at least a moderately impartial media, not a media solely owned, operated and controlled by huge, multi brazillian dollar, politician buying corporations who have straight or dotted line relationships or outright ownership of powerful MIC entities.
              Lacking that,  implement my sig line.


              "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

              by Lisa Lockwood on Wed May 04, 2011 at 03:59:52 AM PDT

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