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  •  perhaps, (4+ / 0-)
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    worldlotus, liberte, Johnny Q, xylon

    but I think the events of the last several years has made me skeptical of that long-term hope.  Catching Saddam Hussein back in 2003 didn't make it any easier for foes of the Iraq War to see their policy preferences realized.  Different President back then, sure, but I didn't celebrate Saddam's capture back then either for the same reason, so my reaction hasn't changed.

    The U.S. has caught or killed lots of Al Qaeda operatives since 9/11, but we've stepped up our military footprint all over the Middle East since then.  Our activities in the war on terror and the national security state have expanded so far beyond battling Al Qaeda that I'm inclined to believe that it will still be several years before we leave the Middle East entirely.

    Again, people who want to celebrate Osama's death have the right to do so, and I don't think it's necessarily wrong for them to feel that way.  I just prefer to reserve any feeling of final celebration until our wars are completely finished.

    •  Kind of a difference though. (2+ / 0-)
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      I totally respect both your comments. I think they're thoughtful and you explain well why you aren't celebrating while at the same time make it clear that you're not telling others not to do so.

      I just  wanted to point out that imo, the comparison between Bin Laden and Saddam doesn't quite hold up.  Bin Laden, if one beleives conventional wisdom, was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.  Saddam wasn't doing anything against the USA directly, and that's why many think it was an illegal war, not to mention immoral.

      Catching Saddam Hussein back in 2003 didn't make it any easier for foes of the Iraq War to see their policy preferences realized.  Different President back then, sure, but I didn't celebrate Saddam's capture back then either for the same reason, so my reaction hasn't changed.

      « Lorsque nous révolte, ce n'est pas pour une culture particulière. Nous révolte simplement parce que, pour de nombreuses raisons, nous pouvons respirer n'est plus. »
      -- Frantz Fanon

      by BentLiberal on Mon May 02, 2011 at 12:16:38 AM PDT

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      •  fair point. (1+ / 0-)
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        worldlotus

        bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, while Saddam never directly attacked the U.S.  So you're right to say that they were different monsters involved in different conflicts with the U.S., and that there may have been obvious differences in celebrating the former's death and the latter's capture.

        That said, my point in bringing up Saddam is that our initial justification for invading Iraq was because we thought he was stockpiling WMDs, and when he apparently wouldn't disarm, we made it a mission to overthrow him, and eventually capture or kill him.  Capturing Saddam, while perhaps a significant milestone in the war, didn't do much to accelerate the Iraq War's end.  I'm just skeptical that killing Osama will accelerate the Afghanistan War's end, even though capturing or killing Osama and other Al Qaeda leaders was part of our initial justification for invading there.

    •  I am in complete agreement about the U.S.... (6+ / 0-)

      ...boot print in the Middle East. And learning just a couple of days ago that the U.S. embassy will have 16,000! employees after the withdrawal of troops in eight months (assuming that still happens) does not make me think we'll be out any time soon.

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon May 02, 2011 at 12:40:21 AM PDT

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