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  •  Didya see the NY part in NY Times? (2+ / 0-)
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    That might have something to do with their enthusiasm.  Not that you have to be from NY to be happy he's dead.

    It's better to curse the darkness than light a candle. --Whoever invented blogs, c.1996

    by Rich in PA on Mon May 02, 2011 at 03:38:37 AM PDT

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    •  It's understandable (0+ / 0-)

      but in most professions, professionalism means, in part, subordinating emotional enuthiasm. That those who suffered the attack feel a need to celebrate, I understand, even if I find it a strange reaction.

      What's there to celebrate? Several thousand people are still dead, many thousands still injured, and numerous buildings are still destroyed. The direct perpetrators are all apparently dead, and whether whatever institutional support they had or not continues viably has little to with whether bin Laden is dead. There is symbolism in his death, but unfortunately, outside the US, the symbolism may not be that of justice so much as that of vengeance - and to where does that lead? A braver course would have been to bring him to trial - something like the Nurenberg trials could have served as a model given the complete legal vacuum.

      The vision of folks chanting USA! USA! is troublesome. A vision of the world in which the USA is the cowboy in the white hat bringing to justice the evil terrorists is inadequate politically and morally to the world in which we live.

      When Russian security forces assasinate a Chechen bomber, the west finds it a troublesome indication of Putin's autocracy. How is it so different than what happened yesterday? Some of the terrorists attacks in Russia have been horrible. At the same time, the US is supporting, and in a serious, military way, the Saudi dictatorship, that same dictatorship which in many ways, direct and indirect, provides support and motivation to those like bin Laden.

      •  "A braver course would have been to bring him... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...to trial."  That would have been braver for him, but he didn't want that and it's hard to bring someone in alive who's determined not to be brought in alive.  Since you're likely not so naive as to believe that bringing him in alive was possible, I wish you'd be more explicit about what you really wanted in terms of Bin Laden's ultimate disposition.

        It's better to curse the darkness than light a candle. --Whoever invented blogs, c.1996

        by Rich in PA on Mon May 02, 2011 at 06:11:51 AM PDT

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        •  If that's the case (0+ / 0-)

          I'd like to see evidence, were it possible.

          You're probably right that he was not inclined to be taken alive. And it's quite possible they tried, and when they couldn't, killed him. And naturally they won't say it that way, because that might ennoble him, at least in some minds.

          What you say makes sense. Nonetheless, I'm troubled by the idea that the US president can order US soldiers to kill people in Pakistan without any sort of authorization by the Pakistani government. It seems at least a tremendous use of sovereignty and executive power, if not also an abuse of both. I wonder how the US would react if Russian spies came to the US and killed someone supporting Chechen terrorists. I suppose not well.

          Surely the way things played out suggests that bin Laden had allies within the Pakistani government, and the US knew this well. That strikes me as giving far more reason for worry than for celebration.

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