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  •  You're not asking rational questions (0+ / 0-)

    but I will continue to give you rational answers.

    how many more years

    You seem to be confused about the difference between an optional war and a defensive necessity.  You don't just spontaneously stop defending yourself - not unless you're some tiny island nation with a tourism economy.

    how many lives

    If I were to ask how many lives should be sacrificed to terrorist attacks from allowing Afghanistan to once again be an al Qaeda base, you couldn't answer it - and the fact that you couldn't answer it wouldn't change your position.  So why are you asking me, if you know the question isn't a real argument?  It's pure expressionism - you're not helping anyone, just wallowing in clearly unjustified moral superiority.

    You dare to say to me 'leaving Afganistan is meaningless'?

    Obviously it's meaningless unless we're leaving after having resolved the security problem that first compelled our presence.  You're arguing, contra-logically, that the continuation of a problem (i.e., the poor performance of nation-building efforts thus far) is an argument to return the situation to the conditions that caused it: International un-involvement, chaos, and taliban dictatorship.  The only way that could make sense would be if you're claiming Afghanistan would magically fail to produce the same results as before under the same conditions as before.  

    Pretending that doing the same thing will yield different results is not a real option.

    They are a completely corrupt government like our own.

    The government of Afghanistan is nothing like our government, either in form or function.  Your claim is ignorant and stupid on a level I'm not sure how to deal with.  Corruption, in the sense of being beholden to financial interests, is a serious problem in the United States.  In Afghanistan, direct, petty corruption at all levels of government from the presidency to street cops is a daily fact of life that interferes with the mundane functions of civil society.  In your entire life, it's unlikely you've ever seen the kind of corruption that Afghans see every day.  And guess what that means: It means that the Afghan government probably could not defend itself against the taliban at this point, which returns us to the fact that what you suggest is not a real option.

    but that has nothing to do with what has been lost by the middle class and jobs, and from wall street.

    So rebuild it.  Stop looking for scapegoats for why you feel powerless.

    The conundrum of stable democracy: Reform requires the consent of the corrupt.

    by Troubadour on Mon May 02, 2011 at 10:17:58 PM PDT

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