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  •  If the NY Tiimes doesn't know (0+ / 0-)

    they neither do you, and neither does DemFromCT or any of the folks on the site he refers us to. Which reinforces my immediate point, which is that all the crowing around here about "Obama got his man" is based on utter ignorance of what was done in order for that to be true.

    What I know for sure is that Obama changed almost nothing about the War on Terror™, kept on most of Bush's key players, kept operating Guantanamo, hasn't exactly been transparent about what goes on, etc., etc. And, of course, the pièce de la resistance is that the raid that y'all are so busy screaming your lungs out about—it was conducted by the SEAL team that, just a couple of years ago, Seymour Hersh was calling "Dick Cheney's assassination team." Except now, I guess, it's Barry Obama's assassination team." You could cut the irony with a knife.

    •  off base comment (9+ / 0-)

      what I said was:

      Some of the continuity between the Bush years and Obama years was needed and important. But let’s put to rest the myth (and correct the mythmakers actively trying to elevate Bush) that torture helped the United States. It didn’t and is a blot on our recent history.

      Marcy's well documented timeline refutes everything you are implying. (She's also the author of Anatomy of Deceit as is quite experienced with timelines.)A nd interestingly, the guy who agrees with Marcy is Don Rumsfeld (see politico reference), who said waterboarding was not responsible for the data gathered.

      There's no question that there's a big push from the Bushies to justify their actions. That doesn't mean every single thing they did was wrong (for example, Bush led on PEPFAR/AIDS treatment overseas and on immigration policy, both lefty positions compared to today's GOP.) But they did an awful lot wrong (such as starting a war in iraq, letting Osama get away at Tora Bora, waterboarding) ....

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Tue May 03, 2011 at 07:46:27 AM PDT

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    •  Reread my comment (1+ / 0-)
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      Seneca Doane

      I never claimed to know any of the details.  My point wasn't much different from yours.  We don't know what info was obtained by whom in what place at what time and by what methods.  And we never will.

      If you don't value it, you shouldn't be trusted with it. Rachel Maddow Show on government, April 6. 2011

      by Heart of the Rockies on Tue May 03, 2011 at 07:47:57 AM PDT

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    •  uh, a little reality check? (2+ / 0-)
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      Bush took the CIA group charged with finding Bin Laden, and defunded it in 2005.  This was first reported in 2006.

      When Obama came to office, he re-opened the initiative with the CIA in June 2009.

      As for Hersh, I'm not familiar with his info or what he calls people.  But clearly that doesn't impact Obama, now does it?  Because after all, Obama   used this team on the Somali pirates, and now on the ops against Osama.  So what Hersh said is kind of immaterial and irrelevant, isn't it?  

      You and your ilk can try to use whatever you want to against Obama, but the fact is that Bush had years to get OBL, and failed.

      •  And if you believe (0+ / 0-)

        that this was due to the effort of angels in the Principled service of Light against Darkness, as opposed to the end product of years of effort using similar methods and personnel, I've got a lovely Disney storybook for you. It will be entirely comforting.

        As for my ilk—try a mirror. I repeat, you could cut the irony with a knife, were y'all not quite so busy rewriting "the narrative," as we spin-doctors say today.

      •  Someone said something wrong on the Internets (1+ / 0-)
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        and I can't go to bed!

        We are on the brink of losing our democracy for the sake of keeping our empire. - Chalmers Johnson

        by mrobinson on Tue May 03, 2011 at 09:03:14 AM PDT

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