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  •  You misconstrue Drum's point. (0+ / 0-)

    He didn't say that the efficacy argument was invalid.

    He said we shouldn't emphasize it too heavily. It should be the cherry on top, after you've made the moral argument against torture.

    I very strongly doubt that there is anyone who objects to torture solely on the basis of its inefficacy, but if there were, such a person would be forced to accept torture if the evidence showed it worked. However, if the argument you've most often and most forcefully advanced against torture is a practical one, your ability to persuade will be seriously hampered by anecdotes of torture "working".

    Of course, on the flip side, there are a lot of people who claim to embrace torture solely on the basis of their supposition of its efficacy. Those people, however, are liars. They assert that torture works because they love torture (and 24), not the other way around. Which does rather undermine Drum's point: the lack of efficacy of torture should be discussed, not because opponents of torture emphasize the efficacy argument, but because its supporters do. Noone should be fooled into thinking those liars have the slightest moral support for their embrace of crimes against humanity.

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